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Between 2018-05-02 00:00:00Z and 2018-05-03 00:00:00Z

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164d787 GER2 down - def-

[quakenet] <heinrich5991> deen: can we download teehistorian from ger2 for completeness? it seems down via ssh already

[quakenet] <deen> oh right

09:33

[quakenet] <deen> powering on heinrich5991

[quakenet] <deen> heinrich5991, Learath2 tell me when you synced it, then I shut it down again

09:49

[quakenet] <heinrich5991> deen: synced

Delete teehistorian

why?

I know so many startlineskips but u would just check teehistorian feelsbadman

feelsbadman

@heinrich5991 could you complete mine sometime or is it too late for me?

@ᶰ°Konͧsti not if u dont get a rank 1

GWchadThonkery

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thonkery

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tee historian is for heinrich and learath to make replay bots and get good ranks on hard maps

tee historian should be for players to make ranks without laggs on homeserver

da sieht man, dass das ddnet team bots supported

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15:09

@Im 'corneum deutschland regiert teeworlds, ist doch klar... wo spielen die meisten Leute??? DDNet Ger, weil Deutschland das beste Land auf der ganzen Welt ist oder gibt es Einsprüche?

nord korea ist besser

dann spiel auf deinem koreanischen server

english only please

ich finde kein #german

15:22

irgendwo muss man deutsch reden

15:22

und außerdem sind hier eh 80% alles deutsch

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#off-topic

@Im 'corneum jao ist ein razist

and stop responding in german now

banhammer

he said in german that the world should be 80% german

15:44

he wants to invade other contries

15:44

hes a nazi

15:44

*i dont speak german this might not be true

he said 80% of this server understand german

98% of the server understands english

rip 2% xd

@ChillerDragon you are one of the 2%

true

Its not possible to track ddos ?

16:49

Its illegal right ?

not possibe. illegal

@NiYa why you ask?

Because its annoying, for 3 days ddos you cant play anymore... and I was just interested if its possible

who got it?

hey ! Which Github bot are you using ?

17:23

I need one for one of my server and i'm not sure about what I find on google

[quakenet] <Learath2> @Amu~Cookie It's the github webhook for discord

17:26

[quakenet] <Learath2> ran through a filter in our case to stop bors spamming

@Im 'corneum well, it'd certainly be possible to decide not to care about tool-assisted speed runs

17:27

but I guess the rules are currently: no bots

17:28

hence no teehistorian-enabled home servers

17:28

because people will bot on those

im jhust saying that when teehistorian wasnt out, i was told its so you can play on your homeserver and get your rank with it

[quakenet] <Learath2> it was one use case we were thinking of

yes

and i dont see how that makes botting any more possible than it is now

and then you and a couple of other people came along and botted

[quakenet] <Learath2> heinrich5991: while you are here, any way I can complete my archive of teehistorian

and showed us that it's a bad idea to let players host their own servers

17:30

because we have more data when people do it on our servers, @Im 'corneum

aah. see thats new to me

17:30

but nice try to put it on me that you didnt do it

ty

well. that's not what I said

17:31

I said what you and a few other people did showed us that it's not possible

i think it is possible if you replay them back yourself. pehaps automaticly, so you could just send the demo in and it checks if it is legit. (to prevent using super on homeserver and such) everything else can be done on the normal servers anyway

it just eases the creation of bots

17:33

*it also

17:33

we don't want to do that

you mean because the bots wouldnt have to deal with laggs

[quakenet] <Learath2> 2 ping makes for a great server to bot on :P

at one point no one will play on normal ddnet servers anymore

isnt it kind of shitty to have laggs being a bot prevention

17:35

would only work with solo i guess

@Im 'corneum better than no bot prevention

17:35

and that's not the only thing it gives us

[quakenet] <Learath2> or we can introcude micro inaccuracies in the physics that would make your tees position uncertain :P

when people play on your servers, you get more data

yeah a CP here and there cant be too bad

(edited)

and I don't really think you should be the one to advocate less bot protection

17:37

unless you want to advocate allowing bots

you may not believe it but i actually want it to play without laggs. and legit

you can do that if you want

found the lag problem

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yes. I don't actually believe that right now tbh

blocker community is cancer

you cheated again after you were told not to

why does ddnet host it

why does ddnet host ddnet

17:39

not sure what kind of answer you expect

the thing is that the time i botted is like .01% of my whole time in tw. but you see me as a botter because thats the only time you really had to deal with me. now that i see that botting will be detected anyway and i dont want to risk a lifeban on my name i "worked" on since 2013(on ddnet) i decided that it isnt worth it. so now i just want to play legit again.

didnt they already give u an extra chance

what can i say? youre right. but i didnt know how they react if i bot again. now that the ban is so long i genuinely dont want to get banned anymore.

so u knew they are gonna catch u and u still cheated

no i didnt know

17:50

now i do

u literally cheated again on the same rank that got deleted the first time

17:50

GWchadMEGATHINK

ddnet doesnt allow blocking so ist Is a good question why ddnet also hosts Block Servers @heinrich5991 and These Servers get ddosed a lot

@ChillerDragon ddnet doesn't allow blocking on ddnet servers, so it's a good thing we have a place for blockers to go to

And ddnet doesnt really care about These Block Servers

@snail i tried to be more careful but it obviusly didnt work.

It Is a extra risk

id bet the blocker servers are the target for the current ddos

And all ddnet Servers suffer the ddos

you deserved all of the 10 bans in forum for spamming so much

17:59

i guess its jao

you always guess wrong…

hm damn

17:59

u delete it yourself

XD

wtf

18:01

wrong again

@heinrich5991 why did u kick lola tho xd

no one here is against kicking lola

tru

to get them to notice my PMs

yes lola ded

@ZombieToad i am

ur a jew

do u have any problem with that

lol

18:03

lola spams all our pms, but ignores heinrichs

i cant answer or jao will ban me for racism

@jao and me

18:04

a lot

what

amm guys, its ok to tell that i want a server pc to run all ddnet touraments ...at least free?

what do you mean?

i want to make support for ddnet

ah

i know there is bunch of ddos most of the time

what would that help

and on touraments too

best talk to @deen about hosting servers I think

would get the same ddos as if it were on our servers

making ddos protected touraments

18:07

i have some tricks to not get any ddos. but its on test with some friends of mine.

i bet you and your friends made a groundbreaking discovery

tricks?

whyd kick me

i mean different codes, locks and stuff, amm that would be really just test

stop abuse admin

do you even know what you're talking about lol

i do, im learning programming all the time, from the basics

@heinrich5991 why did kick me

can u prevent ddos with basic programming?

18:08

i doubt

and not just me doing it as i said, i have friends to help me

18:08

no jao XCD

@ZombieToad I told you in PM, but you block messages

i dont block messages

maybe from non-friends?

where is setting for messages xD

@jao ammm i dont say it will be offical that what im doing will works, but me and my friends are trying to figure out .... slowly how to protect our connections

@ZombieToad privacy & safety

i live on the edge

18:11

@heinrich5991 send message

18:11

why im kicked

@jao you think i could easily fuck up everything with one touch?

ok ok I won't call people stupid even if they are stupid as wood

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I also have to say 'sorry' but I wont (edited)

lola big fver

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it's fake

no

yes

[quakenet] <Learath2> Huh, we seem to be getting a lot of people who've made groundbreaking discoveries in ddos prevention nowadays :P

@heinrich5991 you probably know most about this. why doesn't this work and with normal names it does?

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mhh

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should theoretically work

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what happens there?

need "name" ?

nothing

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no chat message at all

Do /times "names"

i do

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but it doenst work with those characters in his name

Did you put "" ?

ah with the "" it works

@lola hi my wife

didn't know that

mhhmh

18:55

#include <stdio.h>

int float_compare(void)
{
    float x = 1.3f;
    return x == 1.3f;
}

int main()
{
    printf("%d\n", float_compare());
    return 0;
}

18:56

compile with gcc -m32 -std=c99 a.c and get surprised. maybe

well i have no clue what is that about and if it is meant for me, but i am not gonna compile. I heard it was not easy XD

@n000b dunno if you know c, but if you do: ask yourself what this might output

@heinrich5991 im curious, what type of vpn are you guys use for your servers? I wonder if someday i would get some more informations about vpns and ddoses. kinda helps a lot if you anwser :,3

it should return true but i guess it will return false since u said i would get surprised

@Cellegen | HU no vpns are involved in the servers

that is bad isnt it?

I currently see no way how a vpn would improve something

from ddos attacks? idk a bit

19:30

mabye security would be the most recent goal for servers thonkery

thonkery

well i almost don't have knowledge about programming. i learned a bit of phyton and html. but that was really basic.

@Cellegen | HU I don't know how anything relating to vpns can help increase the security of the servers

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but if you could explain how, maybe we could discuss your idea

i read / watch different types of understandable websites that can tell you how DDos works and how VPN works as well. Its like a balance of a good side and a dark side of the internet. DDos is a meaning of "blocking services on server - taking over control connection - botnet" this is what i could tell about DDos mostly xd. But VPN is different, if we use any protection against DDos / Dos attacks, it could be possible that we could taking it safe our connections, services, but even our computers - servers itself.

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Maybe if we (idk if i could count) could find a solution, which type of vpn could be good enough for stopping overhearming servers and protect our stuff

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gtfo jao

@Cellegen | HU VPNs allow you to create something like a LAN over the internet. they're often used to communicate with the company network over a secure connection, or to get a different entry point into the internet. I don't think this helps with protecting public services from denial of service

what u talking about cellegen xD

>.>

Well he did his best, but from what I know he messed up some concepts

aslong the true IP is never been visible before, there is a chance a good VPN filters all DDos packets

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just like a good DDos filter

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but you won't be able to pay any of them

it's hard to decide what a "ddos packet" is

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_bit

The evil bit is a fictional IPv4 packet header field proposed in RFC 3514, a humorous April Fools' Day RFC from 2003 authored by Steve Bellovin. The RFC recommended that the last remaining unused bit, the "Reserved Bit," in the IPv4 packet header...

yeah, but lets say googles offers us a VPN with 1Tbit/s and automatically filters invalid packets(for our services invalid), then it would help probably

the packets that are used to attack the servers are often valid teeworlds packets

but they are spam

something like: who's on your server

19:59

it's hard to distinguish that from a legitimate person asking: who's on your server

ofc there is no true protection

but you are right

but most ddos filters probably filter by ips anyway

it would help filter some of the traffic, probably

would be interesting if in near future, foreign packets can be disabled by any ISP

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in america net neutrality isnt a thing anymore... there it would deffs be possible

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but even if not, if you say the best route to a german server is always thorugh germany, then you good defenitely filter packets on some nodes near to other countries

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ofc this would only work if no ISP allows fake ips or anything like that

>only work if no ISP allows fake ips

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so it unfortunately doesn't work

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because that isn't reality today

yeah but the laws can handle most of this stuff

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and i doubt some ddos kiddies get bot nets so easily then

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what was GER2 btw, some server that was expired?

shut down because GER was superior AFAIK

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you can scroll up a little

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@Learath2 when was your last teehistorian sync?

[quakenet] <Learath2> heinrich5991: this morning

20:13

[quakenet] <Learath2> but I'm missing like 3 weeks or sth

heinrich unban ZombieToad he apologize for being rude and didnt know that his post is a crime in german law

he definitely did

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I told him 5min earlier

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via PM

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and he responded to that

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I even posted a wikipedia link

dunno the few times i join a ddnet server its lagging hard, GER2 was better about that

feelsbadman

@Learath2 ok, gimme ssh access

20:14

@Learath2 and please suspend your sync while I upload the differences

@heinrich5991 he meant this tv series i meant https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077025/ wasnt real

Holocaust (TV Mini-Series 1978– )

With Joseph Bottoms, Tovah Feldshuh, Rosemary Harris, Tony Haygarth. The saga of a Jewish family's struggle to survive the horror of Nazi Germany's systematic marginalization and extermination of their community.

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Not the real one

@ᶰ°Konͧsti I won't discuss this right now. he was well aware of what he was writing

But we need him feelsbadman

feelsbadman

you'll get him back eventually

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don't worry

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all trolls come back somewhen

@heinrich5991 you always had ssh on that box iirc

then tell me where I have to send it plz

teehistorian@main.learath2.info

thanks

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@Learath2 do you have intellij installed?

don't think so

mh :S

oh I do on this computer

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but it's not really the java one, you know how they rebrand the same editor for different purposes?

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I have webstorm and phpstorm

yes

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fine

what for?

start it and go to help → find action

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type something

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I want to code such a UI

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recommendations on how to build that?

IDEA is pretty nice

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well I'd start with having the structure in place to register all actions

oh no

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I mean just the UI

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like

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a text box and a list of suggestions

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how could I render something like that, so it looks good

hmmm, just copy theirs? I don't get what you are stuck with, you mean in teeworlds?

no, I mean just a little native UI

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for a new program

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where this would be the sole input method

oh, an example program would help?

it's like a db entry program

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first you enter a couple of things identifying a row in some way

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and then you enter the value of the column that should be changed

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the column is selected beforehand

https://github.com/DaveDavenport/rofi this essentially just has a textbox and a list of suggestions, you could take a look at how they render theirs

DaveDavenport/rofi

rofi - Rofi: A window switcher, application launcher and dmenu replacement

oh, and cross-platform would be nice

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is it?

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X. probably not

yeah it's just X

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I've never really done much ui work so I don't really know which library to go for in this case (edited)

mh :S

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you know someone to ask?

you could probably use gtk and disable decorations

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don't really know anyone sadly :/

nemo fstd: ^ know someone knowledgable in UI development?

@heinrich5991 maybe https://github.com/vurtun/nuklear paired with sdl?

nuklear - A single-header ANSI C gui library

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used it with unreal engine for some debugging windows before

@ChillerDragon we also removed the blocker servers for a few months and ddos attacks didn't reduce in number or strength

@Learath2 have you disabled your teehistorian sync?

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amazon glacier costs 4$/tb/month

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btw

it was giving out errors

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I disabled it, thought I would fix it but forgot about it...

(I'd like to not have two sync processes running that are pushing data to your server)

it's disabled

thanks

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upload started

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given that you missed a couple of weeks, this might take a while

@deen .zip source on ddnet.tw/downloads?

@Deleted User adding a third tee (2nd dummy) would mean quite some restructuring in the code

I asked u 1-2 months ago, I think you missed it again, can you please add those back? x)

I fear it wouldn't be easy

hmh

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@heinrich5991 the 2nd dummy stays in connecting state

lol a second dummy would be nice as hell

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especially for some testing shit

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some things are really annoying to test etc :/

think of all the new cheats u could do if u had an extra dummy

lol true

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danAmazing

troll

banhammer

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lol

think of sv_max_clients_per_ip *-*

its at you to dont use for dont cheat lol

[quakenet] <ZombieToad> hello pls unban discord

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[quakenet] <ZombieToad> i understand now that german law forces you to learn false history

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[quakenet] <ZombieToad> the holocaust was real

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[quakenet] <ZombieToad> @heinreich5991

u unban first

[quakenet] <ZombieToad> ok

wt

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ZombieToad why they banned you?

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