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Between 2018-03-25 00:00:00Z and 2018-03-26 00:00:00Z

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We could have a mass testing event

yes i agree

big teams pretty much make % of the maps easier lol

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but yeah, the maps are rated for 2 player standarts

in most maps it doesn't matter too much how big your team is

in faily maps it does

that doesn't make parts easier

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just decreases the chance of dying

on insane its a pretty big factor, delete all ranks which are made from more than 2p from a team

If you can use 10 tees at once to do a hard drag part, gg

and what will be left? lol

that wouldn't count as "rare special case" @Ravie XD

@jao but it makes the whole map easier

yeah, cheat every part o.O

What if more points were given if a player were to finish a map in a 2p team, specific maps GWfroggyPeepoDetective

GWfroggyPeepoDetective

@plsplsplslol parts difficulty doesn't change tho

it does

no

@Acadia that idea already rejected

only the failiness changes

the rating also considers failiness tho

when you can skip 3 edgeparts in a row, because you can skip them with more players

ya

for drag part maps you obviously rate based on 2 players anyway

yes, which makes them way easier for a team of 4

so what xd

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it's just about consistent rating

some parts are easier because you can cheat the parts with more players

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ok

which aint a problem, since 2player are mostly faster, but for insane maps its kinda stupid

00:05

it takes away cometitiveness from insane maps

ya maybe you should give more points for speedrun on insane and brutal maps

points system is fucked anyway

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you can't fix it

ok

so don't try

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just make ratings based on skill and for 2 players

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if that's the min team size

it's not fucked lol. it just doesnt reward speedruns..

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but the system is good

Just make team force 2pl maps

insane could be force 2player

lexin how did you get 6 mins in hardcore 10

it's completly messed up

00:07

you can finish for other persons

XD

that already kills it

@sorgaxD don't even remember the map lol

i think that time is impossible :v

and points don't reward for map length

00:08

that's another fail of the system

map length is calculated though

if a map is long then make it more starrs

not really

Length of the map = difficulty, difficulty = points

ya but only if map is faily

you can't fit, skill level, map length, team size and failiness into one skill rating

Short but faily map = long but unfaily map

it doesn't work

ya like hostile maps

you have to make cuts on one or the other aspect

" jao - Today at 1:01 AM in most maps it doesn't matter too much how big your team is that doesn't make parts easier just decreases the chance of dying"

you could have separate ratings for each one

thats rly wrong

jao, it does on hard maps

when the part is about not failing, it does make the part 200 times easier

ddnet2

@snail we all know that xd

adre 4 doesnt rly have any hard parts, yet its still rated 5* insane atm (edited)

lol

a part doesn't get easier because you can try it more often lol

its because its long and faily

teamwork

@jao yes it does if you can teamwork it and its a faily part in the middle of a map

not a part, but a map might be

a parts difficulty is set once you mapped it, it won't become easier after someone tried it 100 times

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the "part" isnt hard, its just faily. when u take that away its just playing a moderate map

it does get easier

if you map heartcore with only freeeze its 100x harder too lol

thats how ppl get better at ddrace lol

no

00:11

the parts are the same hard as they are now

they play maps a lot and get better at certain skills

and what the ppl mean, is that you can cheat drag parts with teamwork in ddrace with more than 4+ jao (edited)

yes the people get better, not the parts easier lol

its not about less faily, but about parts being easier cuz help from other players

yes but it makes doing the part easier

yes because you are better

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not because the part is easier

so if you can try the part again and again it makes doing the part easier

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it increases the chance of passing the part, it doesn't make it easier

if it increases the chance of passing the part that makes the map easier

If a drag part needs you to do something difficult to get into position for the last hook you can just put another tee already in position for that hook and skip the difficult part

but when the "hardness" of the part is all in not failing it, it does make it easier..?

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take a random ddmax map, its easy, replace all tele by freeze and suddenly its way harder

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because u cant fail anything

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now play it as 10 and its easier again becasue u have 200 Tries

yep

@snail i already made that argument

it's not easier, it's more likely to pass

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Take an ordinary brutal 3* map, make everything 1 try, boom insane 1*

@jao that makes the map easier to finish then

yes

which means it should be less stars

you talk about parts jao, we talk about maps

because its easier to finish

yes i know

if a part is easier to pass, it makes the map more likely to pass, thus having a lower rating (edited)

ur kinda playing with words jao xd

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"its not easier just more likely to pass" what

what

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Word abuser

banhammer

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banhammer

jao

it's different tho

dont hate on ma boi jao please, i just want insane maps to be more competitive

frozen

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but anyway, just rate everything based on 2 players then you don't up overthinking everything lol

SPEEDRUUUUUN

it is jao

00:18

but on insane maps its takes away a lot of the competitiveness

not really

00:18

back in the time and shit is rated for big teams

lol

00:18

back in time would have the same rating for 2p

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i think its 4* brutal?

5

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okay got changed maybe

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i thought it was easier

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i mean lower rating

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wtf

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insane maps mostly have a few "gay" parts or rly challenging parts with questionable gameplay.. mostly atleast, which are rly faily for 2p. but you have endless tries in 4p teams

GWqlabsFeelsGoodMan

but i know that some ratings are influenced by the fact that they are easier to finish with big teams

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and some maps are rated based on the average part difficulty while they should be rated based on the hardest part (edited)

how did this discussion start?

If a map is well balanced it doesn't matter if you rate the whole map or just 1 part

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Noby asked the same question I did last summer GWfroggyPeepoDetective

GWfroggyPeepoDetective

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jao, thats what i meant in my starting argument that people have different scales, if 1 person rates 50 maps and another one 50 others, their scales of rating will be different

heartw

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but the more a player is experienced the less the difference would be

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that's my guess atleast

yes that's also a reason why the ratings are messed up

There should be some sort of stricter objective parameters

Acadia, thats really hard to do, because its mostly case to case decision

impossible

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rating will always be subjective

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unless you involve like 10 people

and yet we dont even know how we are supposed to rate maps in terms of length and group gameplay

who know what they are doing

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wtf

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what

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Good players shouldn't rate easy maps imo, when I was a novice player I always thought "Novice 3* seems fair enough" but it was impossible cammo

cammo

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length shouldnt influence it unless the map is faily

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it's a skill rating afterall

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not for fair points rewarding

why dont we just make a group of players that rate a map and take the average rating

thats what i said 1hr ago

But the more overall skills you have the higher the chance you will have for going through the skill demanding and faily parts of the map and eventually finishing the map

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For long maps

not possible to form such group

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why

That's what testers are for, aren't they?

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because it requires active people (edited)

there are enough? XD

yet i'm the only one testing maps

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feelsbadman

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and for rating a map you need to play it

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so gg

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could rate maps a week or so after releasing them

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but that's also stupid lol

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and also the guys who rate it should be experienced and trusted

like noby

feelsamazingman

00:29

he has >1k points

@Ravie having testers for novice/moderate brutal/insane is a smart idea, but the problem is then how to draw the line

Ye ofc he’s trusted because of that GWfroggyPeepoDetective

GWfroggyPeepoDetective

but he’s a mod so

i earned almost 20 of them for myself

xD

im a pro

having testers for each server type would be awesome

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Noby could make graphs illustrating complex rating calculations GWqlabsFeelsGoodMan

GWqlabsFeelsGoodMan

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but then having active testers at all would be awesome too

im insane

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banhammer

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Having testers for solo maps would be great cough

lol you can't let pros rate the maps they finish

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since slytoox can test the moderate maps, we have atleast one for the novice/moderate group brownbear

brownbear

feelsgoodman

feelsamazingman

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they will just rate it as hard as possible to get most points out of it

thx lexin lol

syltoox can't even map

@Lexin xxxxxxxD

but ican rate lol

ddrace sucks

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i doubt it

Bad mappers tend to perceive mediocre maps as good

you can rate maps after how easy they are to play with bot maybe

feelsgoodman

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fuck u

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banhammer

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syltoox bot

stfu

bot bot bot bot

syltoox send pic

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:)

wena ryozuki

please stop hating :c

maps with edgehooks automaticly become novice

@sorgaxD wena

aaaaand off-topic XD

banhammer

I have decided that I will rate all maps myself from now on. They are all Novice 1 *

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thonkery

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ban ryozuki

we need a bot emoji, maybe put syltoox name there

feelsamazingman

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best idea

:syltoox:

+1

i meant learath

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:(

let's not bully syltoox too much

why

yes

he botted

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i will continue forever

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u deserve it

ryozuki stop, its just offtopic now its stupid

lets hate ryozuki

get over it lol

he kicked someone as mistake

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lol

lets :5991: Ryozuki

he botted, you don't have to cry forever

@Learath2 i know u always wanted that

hate him forever

hey

back to topic pls

what was the topic?

map ratings

?

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nice sorga xD

xD

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xDD

Rating maps is definitely not an exact science. I think most of the current ratings are acceptable (edited)

scoence

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thonkery

they are in a reasonable range

lies

but nowhere near perfect

salt

insane rating is totally fucked lol

some mapratings are really bad

its pretty much useless

specially in ddmax

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@sorgaxD pls sotp

xD :'v

xd

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i can rate insane maps

@Ravie yeah continue with it

stop or ban

banhammer

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banhammer

my screen is too small for your spam

xD

<- dumb face

Lies all developers have at least 12 monitors

lol

to much hollywood @Ravie

"not enough screen space"

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@Ravie explain ur graphs pls

feelsamazingman

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noby's graphs take up to much space (edited)

feelsamazingman

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@Ravie that looks like noby's basement

lol

genericore 8 for 3* pls

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so you get more points?

with bot

feelsgoodman

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jao - Last Thursday at 11:13 PM once a botter, always a botter

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hey

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bot ranks get deleted, not his so it must be legit thonkery

thonkery

wtf

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@Ravie I have 4, but I'm not on the computer

never forgive

i never forgive botters

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and its lame you post private convos (edited)

it isnt lame

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

when did he say he never tried before

hahahaha

don't bring your private drama to here please

lol

lol

early this february he aske me to help him with his bot feelsamazingman

feelsamazingman

xD

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and

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just stop cry

he wanted to check whether you would support bots or not thonkery

thonkery

yes

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oh

"im a evil person because i killed someone?"

bumm hdf

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thats totally different

bullying others is more evil

i dont find this is bully

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but what he deserves

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and he can always block me

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he must enjoy this

no one deserves to be put down for the fun of others

where can i download a bot i wanna get attention in the ddnet discord just like syltoox

stop insulting syltoox

im just calling him what he is

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is botter a insult?

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i dont think so

Noby botter feelsamazingman

feelsamazingman

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not you

making fun of someone who cheats and ruins other ppls fun is not worse than actually cheating xd

he didn't ruin ryozuki's fun

@Ryozuki you are just so mean to me. it isnt unhuman and almost everyone tried it. i wont hate someone because he did mistakes or did bot. its dumb to take the reason 'once a botter always a botter' for it. pls hate me if i would continue with it, but i dont. you dont even know the reasons why we did bot. you are not listening to anything...

jao is the bot defender

i would imagine that people who actualy play ddnet seriously to get good ranks wouldnt appreciate someone beating their hard work with a bot they downloaded

^

sure

Bots are for weaklings

^

syltoox, why you lie so much? In the post you did on forum you wrote

so now you get the trouble. many botted ranks will come in and you cant do anything.
the client wont get leaked and i leave from here.hahahhhhahahahaha!!!

Bots are allowed in gores

i wont trust any lie yo usay

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like "i wont bot anymore"

(he left)

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better

that is so rude of you, srsly..

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i dont find it rude

but syltoox is young i guess, everyone makes mistakes, your personal fun isn't ruined because he cheated a few hard maps you never played anyways.. there is no reason to bully him forever..

"forever"

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only 1 week passed?

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and only 2 times we met?

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xD

as a mature person you shouldn't bully anyone at all

he will obviusly bot again

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just read his post on forum xD

[1:36 AM] Ryozuki: he botted [1:36 AM] Ryozuki: i will continue forever [1:36 AM] Ryozuki: u deserve it

im not bullying anyone

what

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well he left because of u

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how is that not bullying him out

"bot bot bot"

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what's that then

@snail he could always block me

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@jao stating the truth?

calling a fat kid fat is also the truth

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"fat fat fat"

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so niuce

thonkery

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thonkery

they arent hurting anyone by being fat tho

ryozuki wasn't hurt because of syltoox finishing maps with bot

it hurts me that there are botters

so it's your mission to bully them away

being fat is not the same as doing an action, in this case botting

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i would more compare it to another action

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like killing or stealing

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he left because he wanted, he had several ways to avoid me

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blocking is the first and obvius one

Guys

no the most obvious one is to leave and come back under another name knowing that ddnet takes like a month to detect bots

Guys guys

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No one cares anymore

u

No u

then why do you care

I don't care

just don't say anything omg

But he started hitting on me

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So I support ryo

i just like making fun of botters idc either

@jao i wonder if you would defend the ddnet ddosers in the same way

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thonkery

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we all enjoy those laggy tournaments heh

are bots allowed in tournament :O

xd

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cause syltoox hurt everyone playing on ddnet with his botting adventures

https://forum.ddnet.tw/viewtopic.php?f=6&p=63153#p63144

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best

and i don't defend banning syltoox, i would've banned him for longer even

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but it's just stupid to put others down to have fun

isnt botting also having fun at someone elses expense

in fng maybe

its basically making fun of those who try hard those edgehooks with real skill

and also lol

definitely in fng

if you don't want others to ruin your fun, why are you doing the same shit

but even in ddrace

that's hypocritical af

mmm they wont stop no matter what i do

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so why not i make fun of botters?

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i will continue with it

what is this logic even

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it's not legitimate to do something bad because others do something bad as well

gotta respect botters rights

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thonkery

Hab ich was verpasst ?

feelsamazingman

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what

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he is a human

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everyone makes mistakes, he is young

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at least respect that

i mean if he starts playing legit and people are still making fun of him for cheating 1 year later then that would be stupid

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but this soon after someone stops cuz they got caught xd idk

If he bots once people will always associate him with botting

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that's what i said

I wonder why people hate syltoox by far the most of all botters for using bot

but there should be no reason to bully

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anyone

idk if people really hate him hes just the one that posts here the most

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so the opportunity presents itself

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to say lol bot

because he is easy to trigger

ye xd

it's kinda his own fault

no its ddnets fault for letting him bot for so long

he was already "hated" before

2 weeks = long? XD

where do u get 2weeks from

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he was asking for help with his bots a couple months before he got caught afaik

wtf

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lol jao why?

because he is easy to trigger

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and he payed others to finish maps for him xd

i think its also because other botters didnt seek for attention as much as he did

^

Im drunk

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Gn8

Gn8

feelsgoodman

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wow ryozuki is botshaming.... thats so behind. botters can't do anything, it's in the genes

GG wp guys

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hi nobie

feelsamazingman

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hey

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Look how happy the clown is

im not happy :V im bored

hey X2

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is there someone

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pls

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,

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people that listen to lil xan L U L

people that listen to music pffffhaha

Has anyone tried making a bot or an Ariticial Intelligence to finish a map/speedrun a map?

would take too many recources

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i think flappy bird could be chaeted with it. but zime tried and failed

hm

@Im 'corneum

ddnet.tw took too long to respond

wwhy bot in ddnet

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no monetary reward

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not popular enough for streaming or smth

Money isn't everything

irl? i dont think so

@Alexander it is

Eh

fix ratings

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here's the best idea: have 2 ratings, 1 for teamranks and one for team 0 ranks. JOKE that would be a mess

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but which could encourage players to play on team :\

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you could vary the amount of points you would get based if you're in team 0 or team

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ah! stop defending syltoox please thanks

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@deleted-role

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ok

delete botted ranks when?

they are legit @Jesus Christ LOL jk

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the admin ping doesn't do anything btw

doesn't mattter

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they wouldn't do anything anyways

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#lazy

feelsamazingman

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hm

#wewilldeletethemwhenweidentifymostofthem

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THANKS FOR EXPLANATION

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now tell me if this will be released

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ-fwnWn5SY

Teeworlds | Maptrailer - Modern Duos

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thanks

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its so unbalanced (edited)

I think I got epilepsy from that video (edited)

everyone, please a vote

or

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without reworking (MUCH), i wont be rlsable :V

not reworking xD

i mean redesigning the whole map, remake some parts to fit each other and fixing the rest of the issues (if it has)

remake some parts, but is fit or not, so was anyway redesign.

thats what i wrote... (? ._.)

! ;-;

no u

No we

No you

nou

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The trailer showed no part where you need 2 dummies it was all just normal dummy parts

@deen I think I saw you on kobra today :D

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My tee is called Turba

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Skorpion clan

I think no one really cares

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sorry to break it to ya

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xd

I was going to do it anyways @Alexander_#6686

hi everyone !!! (edited)

hey

heartw

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no u

feelsamazingman

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thonkery

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1 blocked message lol

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from who

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@noby @Syntex whos the blocked user that wrote something

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is it jao or heinrich

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or any mod

its lola

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lol

lola

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residentsleeper

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@noby i started peaking tumblr and i like it

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LOL

HMMMMMMM

the grunge shit is ok

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but when i searched blood they suggested me their support team

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lmao

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sad life

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MUTED LUL

wtf @Deleted User did you block me?!

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bitch!

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can I use this word here? ^

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pls someone write him msg to unblock me ok?

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pls pls pls

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@Ravie YES

i got muted

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ddnet is gay

6 blocked messages lol

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whos man is this

kys @Deleted User

thats not very nice

noby

he cant read that anyway

do you like dataccountz

yes

idk who taht is

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oh

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hes like ur clone

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lmao

lmao

@noby yes its because of the draven mains discord

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i have mental breakdowns because of that discord now

u

discord addicted?

fake lola

who>?

theres only

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1 lola

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zzzzzz

you know the gassy noby guy

its me

he made a role named evil noby and gave me it in his server

I know

lmao

lmao

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u r evil noby

he's legit your fanboy now because of me

lmao evil hahahahahahahh

i fanboy you, im his idol

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do math

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ur his grand idol

where r all these ppl even from

draven mains discord server

need more votes https://forum.ddnet.tw/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6363

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I already voted

WTF WHO REMOVED MY MSG?!?!?!??!

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@jao its u?

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that was fast

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lola a known troll thats been kicked off my server multiple times

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wasn't me

only sometimes @noby

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And I changed already!

lola

GWfroggyPeepoDetective

That was @heinrich5991 I know omg

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@noby legit no relevant person to talk with besides you

feelsgoodman

who cares

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go away if you don't like people here

u could always unblock lola to make fun of him thonkery

thonkery

thonkery

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wait a minute you was talking about fng @noby ? I don't play it, no idea whos this

yes i dont play ddnet

and how you can be banned on fng? lol?

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call admin idiot or what?

no

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botting, or blocking

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idc if people call me idiot

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i never ban for chat

is it possible to block on fng?

yes lmao

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hook ur teammates and their kills

389 bans nice joke

Lol, interestingm gonna try it

ill ban u

lol

pls no

Teamhooking is not blocking, It's having fun

100 are like your max players

that ever joined the server

no

200 bans are from me

over 20000 differnet names joined my serv

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@noby its probably another french lola, I'll tell her to stop blocking on fng

i havent seen them in a while

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lol @Deleted User only like 5 are u

wat

no u

the banned ips

i smell corruption

ill send u the full list

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lmao

im on phone

That's sad when someone faking you and got hundreds bans on fng! damn fakers

bans are by ip

and i wont be able to use pc for like a month

why xd

told u g

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gotta go to hospital

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got surgery

rip

aids xD

ikr

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cant wait till i die and get rid of these cancer ass peasants

pls dont die worstwish, I'll be miss

ill probably go full mental boom and get on my car then crash somewhere

is worstwish mental unstable?

pls send me all ur bots before u die so i can make the detection better

didnt know that

yes

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i send u 50g of sativa too

dude

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i almost lost control yesterday lmfao

hm

lost consciousness*

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because of ripping really fast

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and

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it was so cold

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outside

the best part is when u go back inside and suddenly feel higher for no reason

dude

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the moment i got in the car

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i felt like i moved from hell to paradise

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i swear to god

feelsamazingman

like

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smoking when ur standing isnt that nice

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standing up

Now all that's left is let the car slowly ride into a river

i like to lay and smoke lmao

playing tw high >>>

well

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i played tw when i was on shrooms

same :O

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i did really bad

23:55

lmao

loool dude i was legit talking to myself in a empty server

23:55

u tell me whats more embarrassing

Go watch fail on hellcore map, that crazy team gonna fail 645-th time on last part! feelsamazingman

feelsamazingman

lmao i even got a coupel kills in fng

23:57

when i wasnt looking at the background

@noby why you play fng? its boring

fng best mod

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23:58

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nice inspect element

wat

the xusep dude lol

23:59

i really think that hes sad

23:59

fr

23:59

he tries way too hard to be funny

he always goes for negative points

23:59

lol

what happened to the suicide stats

23:59

when i tried to check my stats once it didnt show up

23:59

hmmm

theyre still saved and counted

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