DDraceNetwork - developer

[quakenet] <jxsl13> . :D

01:52

[quakenet] <jxsl13> 3 am and I laugh my ass of, how creepy that smiley is.

01:54

[quakenet] <jxsl13> btw changed that thread spawning to two in memory caches and one thread pushing the caches to the database. but somehow something is still blocking and causing lags.. hm

ddnet-maps

[ddnet-maps:master] 1 new commit

492e2c5 A Flux 2 - def-

jxsl13: Are you still waiting for the thread to finish with join from your main thread?

I have managed to put teestalker on my server

13:25

https://teestalker.blazic.tech

stalker

hehe

Hi guys, in Chilean servers we can't vote for the map Flux 2, pls fix

[quakenet] <jxsl13> @deen only joining the db writer thread on shutdown.

14:16

[quakenet] <jxsl13> https://git.johnbehm.de/jxsl13/zcatch/src/branch/onethread/src/game/server/teehistorian.cpp#L196

zcatch

14:16

[quakenet] <jxsl13> that's what's happening in the db writer thread

@Delirio Thanks for report, fixed

[quakenet] <jxsl13> :'c

Learath2

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #1089 CMake doesn't detect distribution MySQL libraries on Debian 8.10

@heinrich5991 is right now possible to do http requests from the ddnet server?

can i put here troll map ( very short )

isnt it already in general

@Deleted User what map

Just a quick thought on "accounts". What about identifying users via PGP?

21:06

@jao "how do you assign people to accounts? you would need to verify them and that's hardly possible"

sorry i don't know pgp

1

Way of "signing" digitally with private and public keys

so how would that work?

Client creates pair of a public and a private key

21:09

The public key is stored on a key server

21:09

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy

Pretty Good Privacy

Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) is an encryption program that provides cryptographic privacy and authentication for data communication. PGP is used for signing, encrypting, and decrypting texts, e-mails, files, directories, and whole disk partitions an...

21:10

Wait a sec, pretty bad at explaining this

it was more about verifying that X player is whoever he claims to be to assign the points to his account

21:11

i think

Would be possible to i guess

and how would you verify that?

You might assign points to an PGP identiy instead of a nickname

pls no PGP, are you want me to be nerd or something?

Could be done by the client

u play teeworlds ur already a nerd

how do you verify who gets the identity

and when 2 players claim to be the same person how do u distinguish

21:12

or 10

@noby teeworlds is a game for 12yo kids

u

I am 14 though

no kids allowed

21:12

out

first lola needs to learn how friend requests work

I know already @jao

I think how it basicly works is that with the private key you encrypt and the public key decrypts vice versa

how does that solve the problem of assigning accounts to names

You could assign a nickname to that PGP identity

21:15

Or the points

and how do you assign the identity to someone

Via their private key

I am lola for example.. assigned whos next?

i am lola too

hi im jao

1

how do u solve that?

shut up snail

hi its deen i forgot the rcon can someone pm it to me

1

1

Basic thought process is like 1. Create key pair, and store the public key online 2. Upon "login" the client tells the server "hey i'm PGP-ID XYZ1337" 3. With the public key the "accountserver" creates a challenge which is only solvable with the private key 4. Client sends back right awnser

@CptDalv pls

u keep repeating the same thing ignoring our answers xd

you know the ddnet rank/point system @CptDalv ?

their assigned by nickname i guess

ye and if you link existing names to accounts now, how do you verify that the person that gets the account for a certain name is the same person that collected points with that name

I swear

No way in doing so i guess

21:24

No bulletproof one

that's the issue

Reseting points aint a solution either ^^

you can only use accounts to ban/mute/punish people effectively i guess

Nothing to stop them from recreating

hm

Except email verification

phone verification xd

Like making an account inconvenient

21:32

*account creation

ye

Donate blood or something like that

but that's too annoying

@CptDalv yes, something like identifying users via public keys is planned in the long term

The sooner the better so players dont loose too much points

21:37

yeah no more RCON passwords

you want to reset points?

Not my decision at all

delete everyones points because they couldve been cheated

But as mentioned thousands of times from various people there is no way of assigning current points to new account

21:39

Might be possible with the ones of share their name in the forum & ingame

21:39

But i think thats not the majority

I am n000b

Approved by me, deen - the one and only

21:42

When the time comes we assign nicknames to accounts i was "nameless tee"

@CptDalv it doesn't solve everything, people lose their keys easily

Add an option to recover (recreate) keys with a password

u mad @CptDalv (edited)

no u

1

@CptDalv how?

21:53

that just destroys every upside we achieve by using public key crypto

yeah, people can share their private keys... hmmm

people can share their private keys either way

21:54

like that's not something you can stop

Only thing accounts might achieve here is that you are able to end existing sessions on new login

Please don't mess with accounts, I promise I'll do them soon

I don't

22:18

at least yet ;P

22:19

merging a PR with crypto is gonna be so much fun :<

Especially not you @heinrich5991, if you do it we are getting a rust authentication server and 60 new libs to link with

22:21

actually now that I think about it if anyone else is going to do it, you should, don't want to end up with another unmergeable PR

@CptDalv They wait your PR with PGP, go on

oh btw, accounts will never solve banning issues, if we ever have accounts they will be similar steam accounts

and how u solve name claims @Learath2

I already have a kinda working (sometimes (maybe))(tm) prototype of it with pubkey signing

22:28

@lola very very simple, accounts are not associated to names

22:28

names are only for displaying, like in steam

so I can still be lola as always?

As everybody

but people will know if you are the lola they have added as a friend

I don't care, just want be lola

you can be lola in the sense that your name will be displayed as lola, but people who have the real lola added will know that you are most definitely a fake

22:31

which makes faking obsolete

but what if other lola is fake

but people that don’t have them in friends won’t know?

well at this point even I don't have any idea which one of you is real, I know one of you knows french one doesn't

je parle francais

je parle aussi

22:33

je suis lola

@jao yeah, will add a way of adding people from forum as friends also will distribute mods/admins somehow, didn't think about the last one

no @CptDalv you are only trying

merde

Non je suis lola (edited)

then you can still fake people and ruin their reputation and shit

但是我会中文

22:34

我是LOLA

stop that

对不起

@jao /points should reveal the faker

/points

see it works

[quakenet] <jxsl13> quote of the day: [22:12:00] +bridge:[ddnet] <noby> u play teeworlds ur already a nerd

how so

omg

@jao fake jao would have 0 points, real jao would have couple thousand

I have a lot of points @Learath2

sadly any form of accounts that is useful requires a reset of ranks

yay! will you reset all points?

Only "lola"s

no

I gave this quite some time and I don't see any other nice way, if one of you comes up with one do tell

lol

if not yeah will archive old ranks as "legacy" and start with a new "season" of ddnet

reseting points is bad

why is it bad?

then you could’ve also reset botters points already

I'm not talking about deleting any ranks, they'll just be archived

@jao You can't really tell if that botter was the "real" owner of that nick

@CptDalv we can in the case of the botters we currently banned

ok

I hope you know what you do @Learath2

I obv won't do anything before discussing it to death, big decisions need to have quite some support

people will rq

The biggest drama ever coming

but I'm sure everyone would follow along if I offfer 50e to the person who gets the most points in 1 month

lol

nice manipulating people

How is a competition manipulation?

22:45

I for one would prefer if the community was a little more active and competitions achieve just that

22:46

besides I'd like to think most of the people still playing play because they enjoy the game, I don't know many that only play for points

@bano do

22:46

and Starkiller

limited edition ddnet mugs for the top10 points?

3d printed tee merch

anyways to conclude, if everyone hates the idea I just won't do it, but know that without some kind of "restart" accounts are useless so we might aswell just not have them

whole ddmax server is there so people can farm points

ddmax server is there because we didn't want the maps to be lost

I bet you gonna be the most hateful person even on the start of discussion @Learath2

more than heinrich?

prob

yes, not because the maps are considered fun

We are a bunch of archival freaks

(the ranks are eternal rule, teehistorian, ddmax server, oldschool server)

oldschool is different tho

yeah yeah people do enjoy the maps there but the thing is even if they hated it we'd keep them

that's bad

is there a reason to delete ddmax?

Why would you think that? It's not costing us anything extra to host them nor is it annoying players in any way that we host them

so you would be for hosting all maps that are out there

tbh I'd be okay with making all "archived" maps 1 point, but the points system is a discussion for another time

22:57

@jao that'd most definitely cost us extra

@heinrich5991 does have a map archive somewhere though

after archiving all points, /top5 would show nothing on maps?

23:00

or you mark archived ranks differently or smth?

Those we can all think about together later

(edited)

23:00

could maybe show the archived ranks with a * at the end or sth

23:02

Only one thing is certain, if we want accounts we definitely need either a way to verify nick claims or a way to separate old and new ranks. First one I and the couple people I discussed it with think is impossible.

I agree if I'll stay lola

so you have to figure out if accounts would have enough benefits to be worth to remove all ranks

we can make verification via discord :p

23:05

Or via discord+forum

sounds fair

Removing is a strong word, there are compromises that can be achieved, all old ranks will basically be unverified

23:06

and what about the 500 people that aren't on discord or the forum?

There is one big problem

then you have to figure out if making everything more complicated is worth

how can we know if the user on the forum is the one on tw?

@ChillerDragon isnt the only ChillerDragon

23:06

There are

23:06

2

neither is lola the only lola

shiet

23:07

@jao it definitely won't be complicated after a while, as people keep playing the size of verified records will increase and it'll look just fine

dont remove old ranks

23:08

lol

23:08

or archieve

yes @fokkonaut thats what they gonna do

that would be even worse

23:08

Defuq

Stop saying that without providing any arguments...

EVERYONE HAS INVESTED TIME?!

Instructions unclear, removed archieves

"Don't remove accounts. Why? It's bad"

yes @fokkonaut we already decided its better for everyone

I wasted time on playing and finishing maps

first you need accounts

remove all points so people get frustrated and come play ctf or fng or something instead

then you can remove thonkery

this is fucking dumb

and did you not enjoy finishing those maps?

23:09

are you a masochist?

removing ranks for dumb accounts

23:10

learath pls get good arguments

i finished maps solely for points

lol @Learath2 its coming

everyone did

I'm not the one coming here with "don't remove ranks"

lets create a poll :) no one will say remove ranks for accounts

Ofc they won't if you present it like that

xD

23:11

?

23:11

Its just what you said

"Ranks are very important., we all invested time, we need our points Accounts are shit"

Yes

I need time to write up good arguments in favour of it, and I don't have the time to present my case right now

and you want to get people on your side by promising them money

ddnet gets worse by the time

1

I just gave that as an example, besides why does the motivation matter? If a thousand people want to run for a trophy noone bats an eye.

23:13

Worse by time? I didn't change anything and won't do anything before I have support for it

Good

fokkonaut can also invest some money to motivate people to join his side

ofc

23:14

no

We might contact cambridge analytica on that one

@Learath2 It's ok we'll just hire the PR manager and buy some ad in prime time, everyone agree for account at the end

I'm not offering money for supporting me at all, I'm offering an award for a specific objective

that's manipulation

Tournaments offer awards all the time

23:16

How tho? If most everyone is willing to abandon their points for a shot at the award (whatever it is) or don't care at a;;. how am I manipulating anything?

or we could just buy points 10 euro for 1k pts

money will make people blind, whether you want it or not

I'm all for discussion but stop coming at me with these 1-word arguments "bad, sad, manipulation". I do my best to formulate a coherent answer to each and every one of your arguments

Fine I'll offer a 3d printed tee instead

for how many points?

The point is it was just an example

When discussing the account system i my pov its more about the benefits in the long term. A tournament would be a nice to have but not the crucial argument

@lola it's all hypothetical, top(as many as I can afford + anyone else willing to contribute)

23:19

@CptDalv exactly, it's just one of the things we can achieve with it

And if reseting poitns will lead to a legit way of proofing someone achieved those points by himself i think thats a big perk

good linking between discord, forum, website and ingame aswell

definitly

reset forum accounts too?

reset bank accounts? Might help me out at the end of the month

If you aren't being sarcastic, I was thinking of letting a forum user associate his ingame account using a key generated by the client or a link

23:27

I guess this is it for now, I have website that I need to get ready for launch before monday so I'll be busy with that

lola is tired, lola go to bed, cya

salut

23:31

bon nuit

good luck with resetting everyones points

bon nuit fake lola (edited)

1

我也很累.再见

1

are you chinese

lived there for 2 years

ooh that's amazing

great country, bad gov. but thats another topic

23:35

cya

xD