DDraceNetwork - general

Nep 2018-03-21 00:14:01Z

lol?...

lol that was fun to read

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unmuted

GG WP

@deleted-role pls classicmonkez

12:05

dickhead is blocking and funvoting

12:06

pls

12:06

@deleted-role @deleted-role

one ping is enough..

nope

there is only 1 mod online what do you expect

that he comes?

12:09

what do you expect from a mod

12:09

ah no its ddnet mod im sorry

XD

hes still blocking

btw the admin ping doesn’t actually notify admins

1 mod is enough to kick blocker

12:12

no need more i think

yeah and 1 ping is enough to notify that 1 mod

@Jesus Christ they will never understand

yeah because that one mod being online means hes instantly available for mr @fokkonaut

just block back, where is the problem when there is no mod on server?

self justice is bad

@Freezy funny, a part, without freeze and only a 1 wide gap to get through? how to block/ just do the part

12:17

@jao nop

@fokkonaut so how can he block you?

why not

@Freezy he hooks us so the other tees fall into the void

Team 0 problems

ravie knows what team they were on cuz he was the one blocking

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its nothing bad, everyone wants to block sometimes on fake name (edited)

Spawn block can be funny, and it's pretty harmless

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guys is this off-topic ?

13:28

^like, that message i posted just there

Is it possible to run CTF/TDM/DM server using DDNet executable?

anybody wants this?

14:27

its a skin

No.

:C

:c (edited)

maybe

No.

@RonIn real finishes or bot finishes?

Only bot

14:59

who is finishing for you?

Secret

LOL

tf

15:17

i get ddnet

15:17

soon as i try connect to server

15:17

DDNet has stopped working

@Brad try disabling opengl3

i got it working now, connected to an official server then to a block server and it works

15:39

just that zoom- isnt supported on the block server soooo

@deleted-role who should I contact to have a finish removed if it's possible?

Finish removed? Why would you want a finish removed?

some asshole finished a map for me

because he is a man of honor

We don't destroy legit ranks

15:51

Just finish it on your own aswell? :)

it was 100% illegitimate true story

well you deleted nyantos rank on antibuguse bcs it was n9mkoik and you also removed nicos rank1 on fly out of hell bcs it was nealson (edited)

Very legit rank sale

and vendettas finish for syltoox on heartcore

but you didnt remove my finish for heinrich on killa3

but the map is awful and now it will gnaw at me D:

well

16:02

admins' decisions are really bad

they just generally do what you dont want.

yes

16:03

so everything is fucking rigged

16:03

here comes the mute

if he had the info from someone else that the finish wasnt by him. it would be deleted

YES LOL

16:04

and the botted finishes aren't deleted

yet

and they will be unbanned in 2 weeks

16:04

ok

but ye i see. "team logic"

Rly 2 weeks?

yes

16:05

all really well thought decisions (edited)

Then I do not see the meaning in these bans

lmao there r really going to don't delete the rank

idk

16:07

they are lazy

they need detection

ok so we know that they will do the opposite of what we want. how can we turn that around for ourselfes

even noby has done more to this game than them

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16:14

if u can verify by ip that someone with a certain name is using bots i dont see why u dont remove all of their points

because not all are cheated

but some are and you don't delete them

16:16

what about finishes for other players?

16:16

why is learath

I guess they will be deleted

not deleting wondernoob's faked ranks

i mean if someone always plays on the same/very similar ip, and then the same name ip and name is caught botting

rank* :d

how do u know they arent all cheated thonkery

xd

how do you verify if wondernoob is wondernoob and that he is telling the truth

how do you verifiy that it isn0't him

verify by ip, and dont ask them if theyre botting, prove it

you don't need to verify that

16:18

you need to verify that he is the real person

how?

16:18

send photo?

16:18

duh

ye thats the question

Yes

idk what u mean by fake ranks im talking about cheating

someone finished for him

you can't just delete finishes because someone on discord with a certain name asks you to (edited)

is that against the rules

pics of my dick is enough to verify me?

@Jesus Christ no

more than enough jesus

how do you verify that someone finished for him

Yes

idk

see

all of my points are from other people frozen

ask teh developers?

16:19

i think they are meant for htat

how do they verify it

surely ip check is enough

ips change

16:20

and aren't stored for long

what if they don't

where do we get your "real" ip

often times its only the last octet that changes

house location

Creditcard

also you can compare game ip to say forum post ip and ask to verify on forum

well noby should work on it feelsgoodman

u

how do you know if the forum wondernoob is the same as the ingame wondernoob

well forum can be fake

16:21

demos

there is no connection whatsoever

when are they going to make accounts if people care this much about points

Ask for demos

16:21

never noby

good idea

they say its a open source game or smth like hat

how do you assign people to accounts?

16:22

you would need to verify them

16:22

and that's hardly possible

open source games can have accounts wth

but you DO delete ranks that you know are fake?

is it against the rules if people finish using ur name

only on a few very hard maps

wat

define "very hard"

where does it say that

All @noby ranks should be deleted

hardest team maps

16:24

heartcore

all maps are hard

idk what others

@noby nub

u

16:24

im pro

16:24

i have 1000 point

they are hard because u r noob jao

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can u point to the rule that says that u can only finish easy maps for people

Yes

it's not written down

how do u enforce a rule that isnt posted tf

it's not a rule

[11:23 AM] noby: is it against the rules if people finish using ur name [11:23 AM] jao: only on a few very hard maps

it's same like you have to expect your rank to be deleted if you use huge cuts for finishing a map

@noby dude why are you here and why are you always sticking your nose in ddnet business and don't give a fuck about ddnet.

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u

i wasn't refering to what u said noby

oh

[5:23 PM] Wondernoob: but you DO delete ranks that you know are fake?

16:27

to that

i getit

ye why is n9mkoiks rank on verification 9.2 gone and fixed map. but athmosphere is fine

i getit

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@jao do you store ddnet chat logs in some searchable form?

for 2 days

well there you go, I can find you undeniable proof that someone finished for me

teehistorian

16:38

there are chats too arent?

16:40

i mean in the demos

just play tthe map again

16:41

so you did it

but it's a shit map and there's a reason I haven't finished it yet

why you crying

16:42

be happy

and now I'll be forced to play it endlessly until I finish it instead of going at my own pace

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shit map

which map

because I earned all my 14k points myself and I don't need any free finishes

16:43

and I despise people who do that shit

which map

ClassicMonkez

its ez

yeah but I don't want to play it

and not that long

and now I'm forced to

go with em

16:45

me

and if you check chat at 14:45 someone offered a finish and Quote told him to finish for me

XD

Why not for me

16:46

XD

16:47

nice time tho

Ama xD

that still doesn't proof that you are the "real" wondernoob

XD

16:47

should he fake?

btw im corneum faked me for 6 years. pls delete all

and he is long time on this dc

idk

16:48

i don't know him

What's the command for that?

everyone here are fake ones

./times

16:48

./times 5

16:48

etc

16:48

./Times -1 to see 1st finish

when it comes to such thing like deleting ranks you better are 100% sure

can also do /times me or /times wondernoob

true

@jao but if you check the logs at specified time it wouldn't even matter if it's me or not here

yeah thx, nah i just forgot what the command was xd (edited)

+1

yeah idk how the admins see it, but i wouldn't randomly delete finishes for others now

although I do appreciate your position jao don't get me wrong, and I do understand that my request might seem petty and stupid to some

I finished a map for avasus

16:50

Delete the rank

i finished impeateaouspus for senf pa

16:55

delete

WEEEEEEEEEE

i finished maps for nobody (ban me and etc) (edited)

Seems like we need an account system to stop the trolls.

finish maps for me and we'll let it slide

@NiYa not today :V

What's the problem to link accounts from the forum to a game?

too complicated? idk ask deen and others 'bout that

how do you verify the forum accouns match the ingame players

18:00

and not everonye has a forum acc so you could steal names

some servers just have simple /register [name] [pw] and /login [name] [pw]

That's very annoying

18:02

If a server requires registration I just leave the server instantly (edited)

if most people use ddnet client they could do an update where it automaticaly types /login for u on verified ddnet servers

with that you could still share accounts and finish for others btw

who cares about that xd

18:03

i thought the point was to stop cheating

you took too much drugs again

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u

i guess he means if others with client like baumalein or smth, cant login on the servers?

Yes

thats not what i was talking about but yes i have that on my server and its a good idea

but

cant connect* not cant login

other clients are much same as ddnet

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making ddnet client mandatory is not wanted

It might be to late now, because most games use the account system from the beginning

it wouldnt be mandatory, just convienence

18:06

everyone else could just type /login or make a bind or something

Nah its gay af

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People would forget their passwords and cry

Omg

18:06

Take that u away

18:07

Who did that

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18:07

Who is me

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18:07

Omg

18:07

Ban

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i‘m also for not letting cheat clients join

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They can change client id to the same as ddnet client

ofc it doesnt stop all cheat clients

18:08

but it stops the common ones that are already compiled

18:09

harder to change bc closed source

yeah that would just make sense if you ban for baumalein anyway

Looooove

is there any reason to use this client other than cheating

Maybe

18:10

Release easy maps

18:10

So people can finish

if you ask people who use it they will give you various reasons why it’s useful besides cheating

(edited)

@noby yes 2 dummys

yes they always tell me its for the skins or somethign stupid like this thonkery

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"Smart zoom, identity change, gameskin change' and other useless shit

SHIT

it wouldnt have to be a ban just dont let anyone using version #708 join

Just let anyone with vanilla ddnet or other verified client join, reject others

Y e s

there are many cheat clients that identify themselves as ddnet or vanilla but its still a good start

Yes

i only have 1 server and still see this multiple times a day

Botting fng is more common

Yes

yes

what ids do you filter?

602 and 605 for zclient, 502 for fclient, 15-100 because idk ddnet source identifies those as bot, and 708 for baumalein

18:18

the only other client based filter i have is for playerflags >= 32 like kclient/allthehaxx often send

18:18

then the rest is mouse movement

@noby nah, not a good start. if ddnet started doing it, the bot clients would just adapt faster

18:36

they're slower to adapt for a single server I guess

true so the better option is to do nothing?xd

most people that use baumalein just use it cause it's easy to get

18:38

not because they want to bot so desperately (edited)

We could actually start banning for baumalein

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yse learath

18:39

pls

18:39

you should do accunt systems

at one point I had to use baumalein client for a different reason, and I had no idea that it was a cheat client

@noby we're not doing nothing, but doing useless things is not something I'd like to do

I had a bug where if I launched ddnet client my whole system would slow down to a crawl, like 2-3 fps (even if you alt tab from ddnet)

18:40

and I had to close it and reopen it 50 times until it launched normally

18:40

vanilla client and baumelein worked fine

you could've used an older ddnet version

but when I switched video card that problem disappeared for some reason

18:41

nope, I tried LOTS of older versions

ah

at which point I just started googling different client because I knew little about ddnet and just assumed there were more client with dummies

18:42

and it doesn't exactly say "psh kid, wanna get a cheat client? :^)" on download page

@Learath2 1) don't advertise cheat clients 2) only until someone puts up a fixed version of these cheat clients

Yeah i'm sure the 500 people we have left playing this game for the last half decade didn't know about the easiest to find cheat client

still, no need to do it

@heinrich5991 what are you doing?

no need to let people with cheat clients join )

@jao no way to not let people join with cheat clients

There should be a clear notification though not just a random ban

@Ravie pretty much impossible to implement

ye but there is a way to not let people join with the most common cheat client

Like when you get kicked it says "Banned for using a cheat client, please use ddnet or vanilla client"

@jao no way to do that. the most popular cheat client will have a fix out in no time

@Ravie how would you detect people using a cheat lclient?

the client is no longer maintained

@jao someone will fix it, I guarantee it

18:49

I could fix it, it's no problem

18:49

it would maybe take me 10minutes

you could even implement a client that sends a random version in each join, or just use ddnet one

ye but then the new version would need be spread so that would still remove a part of the cheat client users

not really

Auto updates

we need one person to put it out there

18:50

not everyone has to fix it on their own

the ones that can't fix it on their own need to find the new version

18:51

in my experience a lot baumalein users are just "random" persons who aren't really into the community a lot

yes

over the course of the last years ddnet has released more and more parts of the verification row... i just looked through a few of them and i dont get why there are not all of them released. verification 9.2 is very nice and verification 4 looks pretty cool too. pls rls

@deen doing it again, opengl is disabled too

@Im 'corneum verification 4.* are too lame imo, could think about releasing 1.* if more people are interested, don't have 9.2

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@jao ey kann ich mal insta von dir haben pls

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lol

then if u dont like the idea of detecting the client by how it identifies itself, why not look at the inputs it sends and guess whether theyre botting from this

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@noby yes, that'd be a solution I'd accept

well it works on my server'

23:22

although maybe aimbots/triggerbots are easier to autodetect than whatever they use in ddrace

Will you compare all player's movements to each other to detect the move repeat bot?