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@Learath2 by old API you mean old container?

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link?

https://circleci.com/blog/sunsetting-1-0/

We’re Sunsetting CircleCI 1.0: August 31, 2018 is the Final Day for 1.0 Builds

After August 31, 2018, CircleCI 1.0 will no longer be available for Linux and macOS users. You can find additional resources for migrating to 2.0 and a timeline here.

is client 10083 bot?

yes

version number is easy to fake + pretty much useless for detecting bots with a few exceptions (16,502,602,605,708)

15:45

10083 is a real version if thats what ur asking

@noby pro bot regoniser

15:57

@heinrich5991 are there plans for regonising bots and ban them automatically?

bots are forbidden on ddnet

15:58

automatic banning isn't implemented as it would be kind of useless, unless you want to start an arms race

[quakenet] <Learath2> recognising bots automatically is not really possible with deterministically

15:59

[quakenet] <Learath2> s/with//

Well how does noby do it on his server then?

[quakenet] <Learath2> his code makes very educated guesses

So it is not 100%?

100% is basically impossible

[quakenet] <Learath2> as long as noone knows noby's criterion for bots it works, as soon as I learn the criteria I can write a bot that can work around it

Well let's say it bans half of all bots out there it would be something already.

right

see how the most popular games suffer from bots even though they have millions of dollars

16:01

@Learath2 not really true, people even work around these detections without having access to the code

people just havent bothered to do this yet for only one server

16:01

but on something larger like ddnet they probably would

Most bot users are not smart enough to build one. The builder don't like to spread a working client. Then it is already kicking 80% of all bot isers

"The builder don't like to spread a working client."

16:02

by adding protections we do create a market for these bots

16:02

currently no one is interested in this because there's no reason to be interested

And ddnet is also open source

16:02

So we don't have the element of obsecurity

Hmm

^ plus i cant think of a good way to detect replay bots which seem like more of a problem than aimbots

We should put funny hats on botters heads :P harmless and fun

then people will start botting to have a hat

Public shaming

16:04

We can write "I'm retarded" on the hat

u could just bot on other peoples names and theyd get the hat? xd

No it's per session obv

you could do smth like adding [BOT] before botter‘s names

@noby this is detectable if they compare movement from old races to new ones.

And replace their chat messages transparently with sentences like "I am a shameful human being for botting", "Please do not interact or play with me" " I do not deserve to have any friends" "Block me pls"

Haha

@Learath2 sounds good, and easy

16:23

Q: I have a folder named providers I'm going to add a file that defines a class of the name iconProvider in it. What would you name the file? iconProvider.js || icon.js?

icon.js

Sounds promising... (edited)

[quakenet] <Learath2> one s in promising was correct :P

Lolmao

can demos actually start at the startline and not one second after it?

ask @redix if he ever comes back around

@n000b just find out an algorithm to detect bots

17:43

if you're (really * 10^99) crazy

17:43

why not creating a machine learning that will learn how to find out bots xD

on a block chain

@Deleted User well noby already knows how to detect aim bots.

you mean something bypassable?

18:03

xD

everything is bypassable

Does a trained ape count as a bot?

just like, ur lock generally only needs to be more secure than ur neighbor's lock to be effective

Or your house less worthy of being broked in (edited)

@noby depends what exactly

18:28

not rly everything is bypassable

its literally impossible to make 100% accurate bot detection for an open source game, either itll get false positives or its possible to bypass

it is literally impossible to make 100% accurate bot detection for a game

that said its possible to write code that detects all existing bots, until someone makes a better one

18:30

ye

telepathy

i was kicked from nobys server for using the aimbind once

the aimbind?xd

18:31

the detector used to have lots of problems

18:31

im not sure when this happened but lol

aimbind already sounds illegitemate

the one which makes you aim at a perfect angle.

that sounds like an aimbot

18:31

lol

ye its hacky bu possible with vanilla

do u remember when this happened

doesn't sound wrong that you were kicked by @noby's detection

its just a bind that sets the cursor really close to you so you can only aim at certain angles

18:32

im not aiming at players with it

did u play like that for a while or did it detect as soon as u changed it

18:32

if the latter then it was probably a while ago

i held down the button and tried to play with it. its actually retarded to turn it on normally if youre not doing a double grenade.

ahh

ye it was a while ago

ive fixed alot of false positive bugs since then, but i can see why using such short distance might eventually trigger it lol

18:35

would be interesting if u tried again now that ive updated it

oke wait

worked

@noby I talk about global things

its an analogy

not only game bots x)

18:51

sure it is impossible to deploy a protection for that

18:51

i mean, a perfect one

i was kicked from nobys server for using the aimbind once

everyone who uses it is a cheater anyway

19:07

same with autohammer

what is autohammer? and i dont think fixed angle aim bind is a cheat in fng just useless

binding hammer to mousewheel so that u can spam it fullspeed whole time (edited)

20:27

but its more of a problem in vnailla i guess

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and yea it may be useless in fng but i see alot of people use it in ddr

why is dummy hammerfly allowed when its also an aimbot

@noby because it's an official feature of the ddnet client, I guess

omfg apple is gay

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just wanna say

22:57

జ్ఞ‌ా

22:57

haha

22:57

❤ @noby

gay is okay

na

22:58

i just laugh when i see that fcking CVE

22:58

CVE-2018-4124

22:59

When you understand than google > apple

22:59

& than even an intel pentium 4 shitty pc running xfce debian > mac

aha

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❤

23:00

that was a long time ago

23:00

but still funny

23:02

ow sad they do not say about that they really published a jailbreak