DDraceNetwork - general

now i enjoy nobys server

00:59

xD

this is why u dont admin on drugs

Rerate Back in Time to 3* pls

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records is filled with back in time ranks

@ᶰ°Konͧsti

@gdin u here?

@Tenerex

nice funvote

LOL

02:03

i actually laughed

love how

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you forced no on my dummy

i didnt even f3

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Funny af

:c

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@noby @snail @ScReeNy wanna see my brutal map im doing rn

wok

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ok*

no im out

2 minute

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its 2 partsonly

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fyuck u

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idiot

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we'll never be together

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OMG FREEZEFALLER AND STARNOOB FINALLY FINISHED GHOUL GWfroggyPoggers

whoa

04:44

but where did they cheat?

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Do you need discord nitro to get that emoji

Oh, after I failed the 30-40 people group on Back in Time still finished last night

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08:03

Gg I remember playing with you for a bit feelsamazingman

@Dev i need someone who can explain or do for me a bot for music

learn js and use a lib

what is js and what is lib ?

js = javascript, a programming language

11:25

a lib is a library..

11:25

https://discord.js.org/#/

Discord.js

Discord.js is a powerful node.js module that allows you to interact with the Discord API very easily. It takes a much more object-oriented approach than most other JS Discord libraries, making your bot's code significantly tidier and easier to comprehend.

thanks

(y), definitely you will make one

why dont u just invite a music bot

just search for a ready solution

11:26

don't make one

11:26

if you can't

i invite a music bot

11:26

@Ryozuki can i invite you on my server ?

no

D:

dude

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how can soemopne not know how to use a dumb bot

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Learn us @Rockus

no u

No

o u

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u on

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find the twist

@Blade (:

yo @Gwendal

Thanks for delete this skip

Verification_9.0_40.24_N9mkOik.demo

495.55 KB

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4 hours of life

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-

XD

not ddnet client xD

and?

@RonIn wich client you use ?

a ddnet

Compiled ?

16:21

Lol

secret:DD

xD (edited)

:D

haxclient

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DDHax

Does it matter?

XD

lol

XD

allthehax client xD

Lol

Allthehax it's shit

16:25

client

true

XD

Cheat will not raise the skill

True

@RonIn is your name like Nemkoik or Ninemkoik

and many people have seen me play so...

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Nyamkoik

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9

16:26

ya

ah

16:27

ya in russian ?

ye

ok

That feeling when 4 hours played rank 1 and admin came and ruined everything .Thanks

which map

did you show admin skip

of course i did.. i told you 3 times

16:30

"dont even bother speeding it, the ranks will get deleted" i think thats what i said

But I had both time 1:27

hard skip?

Syltoox i give demo)

im on mobile

ok

16:31

yes hard

16:32

oh thiiiis skip

16:32

lol why delete

i don't know

fixed by snail

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^^

it is quite true skip

?

Sense to remove it if it's not even a bug

the skip is nothing bad.

I think I checked and it looked like it skipped 1.2min of a 2min map

it does skip much but its very well deserved

what kind of skips do you want to allow?

they have to have a good hardness to how-much-does-it-skip ratio

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16:37

this map is very old too, magnificently changing it now would be bad

sounds like the fix can be quite non-invasive

16:37

for this map

16:37

and this bug

no bug

and this skip

were taling about verification 9 right?

I'm not sure that someone wants to try to do this skip

16:39

skip**

actually i think its very strikingly that you finally found a cheat on it after so many runners have tried it on there.

it skipped literally the whole map

I am also surprised that the admins can easily clean up my rankings , but the fact that there are such cards as skilpt and skilpt2 they do not care?

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im just saying. i would let it, it is hard enough to skip this much. map is short too

isnt skipit meant to be skipped

And Yes exactly I forgot to remind you about sparadrap

@Im 'corneum I don't know if I want to generally allow hard-to-execute skips

i think thats the very idea of skips. harder ways that save time (edited)

okay, I guess this is where we disagree

@heinrich5991 but then you should fix every skip like that

if a skip is easier than the normal run then yes, delete it

if a skip skips more than 50% of hte map, I'd probably rather remove it

i mean this skip may skip much of the original map, but you have to go around the ma which creates like 2 other, new "part"

Do you think the meaning of a solo to pass by rules?? No, the true meaning is to find a pass to start a new competition

that is your meaning of solo maybe

@RonIn portal 2 also fixed some maps after speedrunners found glitches

the fact that this map is so old, and this was found only now implies that it is hard and remakable and therefore should be honored.

16:49

imo

I don't think we can reward people by the amount of time they spent

16:49

people work all the time on new ranks

16:49

yet we don't give them better ranks unless they actually finish faster

16:50

it's not a simple "more work - better ranks" relation

well in that case you have a lot of rank deleting infront of you. also if you really do it. everyone will keep their skips secret. we will see a decrease of rank1 videos because they are too afraid that the rank is getting deleted

I think it was generally the idea to remove ranks that skip large parts of the map

the idea isnt bad. but in this very case i personally would let it stay. for the 2 reasons i already told: 1. hard af 2.old map

I want to see what my time was 1:27 , but gave me quite another

16:54

The map is really very old I see no reason to change it

16:54

xD)

I'm against making case-specific rules

then you really should fix all maps

please, go ahead and help us?

come on @heinrich5991 i know you only wnated to do the right thing but. you have to admit that you dont really play in a high league. so you might not fully understand what it means to get a successfull tryhard deleted

you cant just go ahead and fix every map, its often hard to tell whether a rank got cheated or not, in this case it was obvious and since it skipped like 90% of the map, i dont think its a bad decision

but there are other obvious ones that never got fixed

such as (edited)

or just even released with known skips

16:57

genericore 7

16:57

sparadap

if the skip is intended, "known", then it's up to the mapper or testers to decide whether it's wanted

16:58

if they release it – it's on them

with that logic you should ask the mapper if they are ok with the skip (edited)

16:59

if you find it later

@Im 'corneum that's completely true. perhaps we have to make it clearer that you should report large skips and that ranks with them will be removed (?)

17:00

@jao could you ask the mapper of the map?

what about the skip Ryozuki* did on a moderate map, i think his time was like 7 seconds

(edited)

don't have any contact to the mapper, no

@jao well, then there's your answer

someone else has contact to him maybe?

17:02

can you find the person that has contact? – this is not meant as a taunt, but I don't want to spend time looking for a mapper

I don't want to spend time on that either

k

but if you want to be consistent you should try asking mappers

@jao I'm sure we will ocnsider the input of the mapper, please, go and ask them

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And he's still playing? his name is estern

@jao where should I take the time to do that?

Wtffff why fix this map if there are other solo who skip is a bit similar and easier like escape

17:11

Its so unfair for @RonIn

@Deleted User can you tell me which maps have a similar skip?

just completly disallow this kinda skips if you can't be consistent about it

baby aim

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17:12

Escape i said

@Deleted User can you make a screenshot of the map where it is bad or send a fixed map?

17:13

@Deleted User same for you?

once again this skipped the whole map (edited)

Lol @heinrich5991 dont talk shit, when i found a skip on Propagate the mapper Element Finnland was OK with it but snail fixed it

dont compare it with small skips xd

I hate dont like these rules who mod said no need fix this map , no one will spend time to skip it and when they cheat they delete rank and fix the map

@ᶰ°Konͧsti I was not aware of that

If we really fix all old maps with fullcuts u get much work

17:14

start with Impossible 1

17:14

the map is fucled zp

In escape that skip 75% of the map if i remember good

then go to Yoko 2.1

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and to tons of old bugged maps

17:14

and the skips are ez af there

and @ᶰ°Konͧsti i dont fix map if mapper tells me hes fine unless it rly skips the whole map

17:14

so i didnt know he was ok lol

not skilled shit like n9mkoik did

17:15

He said in forum that he doesnt care about the skip lol

wasnt it a going through kill skip

17:15

thats a completely different topic

17:15

that was a glitch abuse not a skip

Or fix just map who arrange you ( like if you already skipped it , say no need fix)

Lol

17:15

then

17:15

u have to delete tons of my ranks

@ᶰ°Konͧsti going through kill and stuff like that will eventually be fixed in code

obviously we do

17:16

u even know it

It will never be fixed in code

u constantly brag about how u still have "so many cheated ranks"

https://forum.ddnet.tw/viewforum.php?f=37 – if you want to help, you could report map bugs with a screenshot there

cuz there are a lot of cheated maps

so dont act like its new that we fixed going through kill cheats xd

@heinrich5991 ive posted alot of bugs there already, people dont even understand how to cheat

So , in escape there are the same triple rocket but not fixed for years

Xd

17:17

yes

I already seen rony do the same triple rocket in other solo map but dont get fixed

i did it years ago as big noob feelsamazingman

17:18

The fix of verification 9 is useless af (edited)

17:18

i remember Micro did a Video where he did alot of shit in that map

Totally agree , get back the rank to him

no wonder shit doesnt get fixed if you all bitch about it lol

now the map looks like shit

@Deleted User I don't know. do you have some time? you could join the map testing team. it would probably help to get some stuff fixed

@heinrich5991 r u retarded, dont get lola in testing lol

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I remember now just escape and an other faily map 2or 3* with skip triple rocket

lol

worstwish for mod (edited)

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17:21

i swear

I still know tons of cheatable maps but i stopped tell u because u fix it like a retard banhammer

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lmao

17:22

nice try

xD

what about genericore 6 skip snail

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if skip half of map

y

What about Yoko 2.1

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its skip 99% of map

Kicker i said only skip who arrange them

17:23

what about the tower

yoko2.1 whole map skip

it no justice for n9mkoik

@Kicker same as with furrypleasure and other amol maps

17:23

amol is ok with skips and releases the maps knowing these exist

What about Impossible 1,2,3 u skip 80% everywhere

ok

what about qshar

Noone cares about oldschool Konsti

"Element Finnland is OK with the skip, idc and fix it"

"are u comparing a glitch wiht a skip"

Noone care about oldschool but when someone startlineskip is immediately fix and rank delete

a map skip has nothing to do with a bug exploit

@Lexin lol Verification is oldschool

17:24

It has

ok

deen said aimbot is allowed in ddrace

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@Deleted User i dont talk about startlineskips i talk about fullcuts

@noby the rules say "no bots" IIRC

Maybe @snail should just agree that he made a wrong decision and stop this useless discussion feelsamazingman

(edited)

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17:26

wait wahts this even about lol

@ᶰ°Konͧsti why is it a wrong decision to fix a map?

@Kicker challenge accepted on ghoul

so far the one contra argument was "you haven't fixed the others<"

17:27

doesn't sound too strong; please do help us with that

@Freezy you wont finish it twice xD

@heinrich5991 cuz its just normal that there are new ways to finish god damn years old maps

17:28

People are getting better

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new tricks

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new ways

So ask demo to all who finish the map to see uf they use the skip , and if they stop play tw or no demo delete them

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17:28

skipping is haram

no u

@Deleted User on which map?

Verification 9

17:29

thats what we talk about GWchadThonkery

why dont u just have

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something like hltv

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in spec

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that records demos

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on every server

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Its 0 delete or verify all rank

snail is just a racist french who hates poor russian people feelsbadman

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hey anyone know how to do the solo map " Sparadrap " ?

yes @Gwendal

17:30

ad hook fire and jump

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Gwendal yes with skip , will be fix ?

@Deleted User we do have that already

oh you sneaky bastards

idk how to take the jump //

17:31

oh

@heinrich5991 do you watch the demos of me banging girls on teeworlds

wait ithink i see xd

idk why u retards fight

17:31

just have fun

17:31

and vote no u in nobys server

im

17:31

gonna

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make a new application for mod

retarded snailisions

Apparently it is pointless to try to prove his innocence , they still do not care

17:39

ии

17:39

bb

sorry i was gone since my last message. what'd i miss?

@RonIn what do you mean? any rank that does not use the skip got deleted?

nothing special

no

17:42

Forgot to say that on caverun also have skip

could you provide a screenshot or a fixed map? it would really help

17:48

and?

@RonIn I don't understand it, I don't know the map. is the interesting thing that you go to the startline?

you fall down and can immediately go to the right and skip a small part of the map

17:55

@snail @heinrich5991 lets fix Delirious feelsamazingman

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@RonIn to me it looks like both ways are intended by the mapper?

I am sure someone can ask him

dunno, can you?

17:58

who is the mapper?

Noved

he skipped a lot of solo maps

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A LOT

17:58

so

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nearly all

17:59

he will not fix it lol

he stopped playing

17:59

doubt you will get an asnwer from him

Noved > Konsti

his name is or was VS now or V.S. idk

@Fluday ofc lol, solo sucks

Noved is a legend of solo

18:00

and u

ahha

Hello all mee friebds

ik

u did get speed 2

18:00

xDDDDD

Im fukin unbanned

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IM UNBANNED

Dont remember me

18:00

18:00

Go to the #off-topic

no u

danil for mod

wat

This fukin ontopic

no u @Deleted User

What i have to say

#ontopic

18:01

#off-topic

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l0l

general is on-topic xD

Y

18:02

What i have to say is always ontopic

??

When i write in general

spam -> off-topic

18:03

on-topic -> general

18:03

^^

Good day

seems like you want to get banned again

18:04

No u

not banned, ezy is life ^^

Oh no leretard2 is here monkaS

Konsti u want ban? banhammer

Run for ur lifes monkaS

Y u so spam?

hi @Learath2

lives*

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what's up

hi @Deleted User

18:05

nothing up

the sky

wat

Learath2 is prob a moslem

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He lives in turkey

learath is cool

Y learath still cool guy

No he is not feelsbadman

snail blocks me on ddrace

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demote him

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NoONE LIKESu

konsti

18:08

did he put your parts

18:08

in his map

please stop spamming

Yes stop spamm

@ᶰ°Konͧsti you too

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stop spamming and stop no u

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@heinrich5991 hi lovely

18:08

daily reminder that I still love you

vote passed

(edited)

18:09

go to the #off-topic, and not spamming in #general (edited)

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add vote failed and vote passed as emoji too

no

what would that look like

soon too!

18:11

#off-topic is spamming

(edited)

as the text ingame @jao

18:11

but vote up and passed down

18:11

like

18:11

vote failed

way too much text for an emoji

:vote_failed:

Spamm must be allowed in general ?

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spamm in #off-topic pls

#welcome azerty

vote failed

Good night guys

not muted in #general

Azerty superty gayrty

look in edited

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^^

not meme @Im 'corneum

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meme in #off-topic

would you look at that! its both spam AND a meme

18:14

when 5991?

add in role on no meme

18:15

please :)

stop telling others what to do danil.. you're no staff

no u

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DanilBest to stuff!

stuff

18:15

have this graphics

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#off-topic

+1 danilbest for staff

@Freezy Its not a competition if your rank is cheated and will be deleted anyways

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18:39

lol this is funny

To give my 2 cents on the verification 9.0 bug/skip, since the map has been around for such a long time (it's both solo and oldschool), things like this should never be changed or edited later down the road

1% charge, rip phone

The skip was difficult to pull off and should be respected imo, it doesn't matter if it breaks the top5 or not

18:45

It's disrespectful to change a map without the mapper's permission and to everyone who as already finished on it, especially since it's been out for so long

@gdin "to everyone who has already finished it" in this case the fix can be quite non-invasive

18:47

@gdin when do you think can we fix up a map?

I think a map can be fixed within days after release, but really not much longer after that

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18:49

Unless it's a start line skip - those are a fair exception (edited)

18:50

So long as it's a skill based skip, it should be left unless the mapper immediately catches it and wants it gone before it causes any damage

@gdin what about stuff that skips almost the whole map?

So long as it's skill based @heinrich5991 , I think it's totally fine. Those who want to play the rest of the map still can

mh :S

@heinrich5991 and you can see on his channel much skip with sometimes the whole map

whose channel?

Gdin

aha

x

Ofc no fix them

I dunno, I'd prefer to fix stuff that is

18:54

(^ what I have typed so far btw)

18:54

skipping almost all of the map

18:54

(just to show you that I didn't change my mind after your (@Deleted User's) line)

18:54

I mean skipping parts etc. is fair-ish I guess

In executive giant skip

I still stand by what I said about it only being possible for a few days after release, after the map has been out for x amount of time I feel like it's wrong to change it

but why is that?

I think that's a grey line among new releases, but for an oldschool map, especially not

18:58

And given that some time has passed, we won't know who has already finished using the skip or not

18:58

They could do a full map skip and then wait until their time is a few minutes below the previous rank1

I mean we don't hurt all the people who ran a proper way with this

No we don't, but I think players who try to find and successfully use skips should be able to do so without fear of a fix

18:59

Sometimes they take a very long time to finally pull off, and imo it's very respectable to do skips such as these

well, we do agree that people using start line skips shouldn't be able to keep their ranks

19:00

so it's basically just a matter of drawing a line somewhere

Well, I believe that simply because a top5 full of 0.00 times is pretty useless

sometimes a clear line does not exist

and I don't really agree with the work argument. people put a lot of work in much stuff, and not all pays off

19:01

if we tell people that we will fix whole-map skips, then they should think about that from now on before attempting to do it for days

I've done many a hard skip myself in the past, and I can say that finally doing it is quite rewarding

I think we should most definitely fix intentional skips hidden by the mapper, no matter how much time passes

It's another aspect of the game for some people really - when maple and I used to speedrun often we would spend lots of time looking for any possible skips

mapper or the person who fixes the maps

what about making up a rule

as said the clear line you want might not exist

say, if the skip does more than a moral 90% of the map, we fix it

and if the map isn't an oldschool map

what do we fix about oldschool maps? only start line skips? (edited)

y

I'd like to say after ~2 weeks a map shouldn't be changed for any reason, UNLESS it's a start line skip or an unfair skip intentionally placed by the mapper, as learath said

19:07

And I believe that oldschool maps shouldn't be changed for any reason period

but I would say 60-70% should already be fixed

@gdin not even start line skips?

who decides what 90% of the map constitutes?

Not even

@Learath2 we discuss it

19:08

but it's a base line

we fixed a lot startline skips on oldschool maps in the past gdin

@gdin I disagree strongly about not fixing start line skips

I guess there aren't even any possible skips left

I imagine most people do disagree with me on that one, but that's my opinion

maybe some really hard ones

i'd fix startline skips in any map tbh, it really makes the top5 useless

In general I don't think there should be an "x percent of map" skip rule though, it should just be "start line skip or not"

19:09

If it's skill based and it skips 95% of the map, that should be fine imo

I don't think mappers want players to skip their whole map

skill-based meaning that not everyone can do it?

Then the mapper should have caught the skip before release

lol

yo

mappers are often unexperienced

can an admin come to my server

it's not their fault lol

people do mistakes sometimes

19:11

even in code, basically no program is bug-free

19:11

@Rockus what appears to be the problem?

that is really lame to blame it on the mappers -_-

i think this guy is botting

19:11

just to make sure he is

19:12

just to check his client

@Learath2 ?

you could blame it on the testers, but they make mistakes too

@jao That's fair and it can be changed soon after release, but there should be a cutoff point

ye ofc, oldschool maps shouldn't be fixed

@Rockus I can't follow you b/c you use that ridiculous name

(unless startline skips)

@Rockus Quix?

19:13

The client is 10086

@gdin we now have the ability to check whether people use a skip, even long after the run

Ah with teehistorian

we can encourage people to rather report these skips, instead of using them

gdin

19:14

no

19:14

Feodal

19:14

im pretty sure he's botting

Well in that case it's really a matter of principle on whether or not one wants skips to exist @heinrich5991

19:15

If that's what it comes down to, I think asking the community might be a good way to go about it then

do you consider that daydrive a skip worth destryoing?

19:15

@gdin please check id Feodal

Not at all, I think the daydrive skip is great

@Rockus yeah he is botting

19:15

708 is baumalain most of the time

ROFL

19:16

lmao

19:16

those edges couldn't be real

19:16

thanks tho

@gdin but when does a map become immune to modifications?

@Learath2 If we can agree on a given cutoff time, I think that would be fair. I think 2 weeks or 1 month would be fine

I mean if you say it shouldn't be fixed after 10 days, the skip doesn't become any less detrimental on the 11th day

Someone can explain me Sparadrap ?

after 1 year

It becomes quite difficult to decide if it's such a grey area then, so maybe that is a good way to go about it @Learath2

what's a good way to go about it?

Oh sorry I misread

the good way is to fixa ll maps that have skips from today

If the skip is discovered the day after the cutoff point, then leave it in - no exceptions

and let the others to the creators crytheria (idk if that word exists)

Just have it hard set - that way there isn't any argument or hard feelings

I think classifying the skips is the better way to go about this

19:20

any line you give I can argue that +-1 day wouldn't change anything so any line we pick will be completely arbitrary

maybe do it by %

Classifying meaning ?

if a skip skips determined % of the map

19:20

it should be fixed

a case by case basis?

don't touch oldschool I can agree on as it's more an archive

19:21

e.g. one classification could be start-line skips

19:21

another could be fake tiles

19:21

another could be intentional cheats

That could work

what is intentional cheats

19:22

allowed by mapper?

@jao malicious mapper

is that a thing tho

Something like one tele being different that teleports you to the end, stuff like that I guess

19:23

but that doesn't really happen often does it

it was just an example

19:24

@ᶰ°Konͧsti probably would try to pull that shit

I think I that once in my time being a tester

19:24

and usually you catch that before release

19:25

but ye that should 100% times be fixed if it happens

So really it's only start line skips that should be concerning

and skips that make the whole map (aka e.g. 90% of the map) obsolete

mmmmm I still disagree on that point

that's a possible classification

can't disagree with that

19:26

but we can disagree about what we want to do with those

Right

I would make that 60-70%

Imo the only classifications should be start line or not start line

even 50% can be too much if you ask me

That makes the skip all the more exciting!

Someone can explain me Sparadrap ?

that belongs into testing. but as a player you should expect a done map. only exceptions is the week after the release. then it must stay

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as said we can't even measure what makes 50% of a map

ofc some admin has to do it per discretion

@Learath2 yea, that's something that we'd have to discuss on a case-by-case basis

that's not a problem

@jao or tester

might aswell say that we fix what we feel like fixing at that point

@Im 'corneum this goes both ways.. you speedrun a map the normal way expecting it to be "done" and then your perfect run gets beaten by a skip cheating everything

I wouldn't trust most of the testers with that

@Learath2 I think having a specific number is still better

19:30

or a rough number

draw the shortest line from the start line to the end line without going out of bounds, how much percent of that line is actually a significant skip? the parts it skips could take 20 seconds but still take half the map

19:33

I'd really prefer to say what we deem significant at that point

Why tagging me GWchadThonkery

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make it 60-70% and have an experienced admin decide per discretion,

@Learath2 time, not length, I'd say

19:33

which is not me, btw

@gdin hbd

You are the resident cheating rat @ᶰ°Konͧsti

Whats to cheat feelsamazingman

we are discussing what constitutes a significant skip

19:35

or whether even significant skips should be fixed

I feel like there should be a line to decide whether a not a map is oldschool as well - I think a good bit (if not all) of the ddmax server is basically oldschool at this point

Startlineskips allways

if it's older than 1 year, don't touch it

19:36

ah ye startline ofc fix

fullcuts or normal skips on old maps only if the mapper want (edited)

@gdin thinks we shouldn't fix startlines either

and other bugs will be fixed as well? like the current death tile bug?

no

19:37

u cant fix deathtile bug

^

yes, I can

its abused on tons of maps

and we'll fix it in code as well (edited)

19:37

code, not maps

u cant figure out who was legit

19:37

no

19:37

u would fuck up topranks

depends on how old the map is

Its unfair

yes, it will be fixed in code – if demand is high enough, we can make a compatibility mode ._.

The deathtile bug is a pretty hard one to do and I know some people (Pipou and Ironik) put a lot of time into their ranks

what's the deathtile bug anyway?

but this is so obviously a bug

19:38

the work-around that you can't die to deathtiles once you finished in a team

@gdin they are noobs, im the profi

that's a feature by me when old maps had death tiles after finish, preventing the team finihs

19:38

but I found a better solution to that now

yeah that was going to be fixed long ago anyways, we just couldn't decide how to fix it

@heinrich5991 thouht we talk about skip kills by speed

will also be fixed in code

the one tile skips we shouldn't touch imho

Cant lol

19:39

as i said

we might aswell invalidate all ranks after that

u would fuck up topranks

@ᶰ°Konͧsti speaks the truth

@Learath2 that's just a bug. we can't carry those around forever

The corner hook is also a bug

it's technological debt. making new maps is harder due to that

Its so god damn unfair, and just btw im not the only who did those skips

we carry that around

19:40

quite proudly

@Learath2 collision tiles are also not skippable, and if they were, we'd fix it, too

19:40

in fact, the code tries to fix skipping tiles

how many maps are really cheated with that tho

it's just not very good at it

Just steal people every Fun in this game

can't be that much

nice

@jao there are quite a lot of them on the oldschool server

could heinrich pls just leave ddnet

how much? give me a number

delirious got cheated and finished with 1/4 my time, making my run with novo pretty useless

@heinrich5991 hooking through two diagonal tiles is also techdebit in that case, I mean it makes no sense

19:43

there is no hole there

I'm not so hard on that one – it's the diagonal between two squares

19:44

but yea, people might consider that a bug

19:44

but it's a bug that probably more than 90% of all ddnet maps use

19:44

unlike the other two bugs I just mentioned

19:45

you gotta agree that it's a whole different scale

as said if we do all this stuff i'd prefer to do "Physics overhaul", "DROP record_race;"

Fix hooking through corners pls

19:46

its a bug

19:46

so many cheats

@Learath2 DROP record_race will probably never be feasible

Go developer ty

also can bind new records to accounts

no, we will never delete records

any other way physics changes are not fair

there's too many of them

19:47

but we can change edge cases, can't we?

No more words about account

k w/e RENAME record_race TO record_race_old (edited)

nobody wants

@ᶰ°Konͧsti I'll add it just to annoy you

like stuff that won't be used except for map exploits

19:48

e.g. tile skips

konsti stop or you will be banned

aren't there maps that use the skip into stopper bug e.g.?

But thats What he said monkaS

yes, won't fix that

19:49

@Learath2 but skipping over a teleporter, e.g.

19:50

skipping into blockers is fine

19:50

skipping over blockers is not

I should map a map which uses bugs fast

well we have no way of knowing who used those

and release it

so there'll be impossible to beat records

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@Learath2 we can throw away most of our map corpus if we allowed skipping over teleporters

19:50

e.g. on joyride 2

19:50

one line of teleporters, everywhere

Lol

corpus?

map collection

U cant skip teles @heinrich5991

19:51

Its fixed long time ago

19:51

joyride 2 was just a """"fixed"""" map by an ex Moderator

19:52

Only with Ninja ofc or another tele next to it

@ᶰ°Konͧsti oh did we fix tele skip?

19:53

anyway we are veering offtopic

@Learath2 i guess it was deen when jetpack came

19:55

but im not sure

so don't touch oldschool maps, fix all startline skips, the rest if it skips more then 50% of the map?

fix all other bugs we will fix in code? fix all mapper-induced cheats, except for oldschool?

19:58

*delete all ranks due to bugs that we fix in code

I would count really old ddnet maps as oldschool

19:58

like 3-4 years old

+

can't possibru find all ranks that utilized the bugs

3-4 years old is really old? xD

on a 10 year old game ? yes

@Learath2 from now on, we can

ddnet is only 4 years old, so yes

in DDNet terms yes, that is old

@heinrich5991 doesn't change the fact that we'll get unbeatable ranks

you mean the older ranks?

yeah

I guess that's a necessary evil

20:02

we already have these kinds of things, people who used start line skips in ways that are not completely obvious

i think this skipping is just part of the game cause it let you think out of the box. before fixing those skips talk to players with a lot of experience cause i don't think they will like it.

20:05

and it think is that you can't fix the bugs cause it will fuck up the top5. you never know when someone used it or not, mappers should just know about it and prevent people cheating on their maps. the cheat can be fixed after certain time, but if you say the period. nobody is planning to cheat on it till that time has passed. but that is still the best option i guess

@n000b we can now check people's races after-the-fact

20:06

so the "you never know when someone used it or not" is mostly moot, except for the old ranks

it is just time wasting i guess but yeah have fun with checking the ranks

well, since we have them in machine-readable form, we can automate parts of it

skiping is like a bug, part of the game but not one you want to keep

so, leave oldschool maps mostly alone, but fix maps in newer maps?

Fixing the code will make ddnet die

20:08

lol

just fix startline skips on oldschool, y

but ok

20:08

kick out the last old players

for me, it'd be fine – I'm also a player and my main activities do not comprise of using bugs

20:09

I guess that actually most players don't do that

but there are almost 300 skips in all kind of maps. skips most of the community doesn't even know about. So that makes it unfair if you fix only 100 maps, because you don't know them

20:10

you will eventually know the other bugs

bugss is different from good skips?

and if a skip is not used, it's ok too for the time

Minor bugs which are caused in the code are part of the game and get used on every map

20:10

fixing just break the game

20:11

Heinrich maybe plays once a week

what is a "good skip"?

how can he judge about the whole Community?

@ᶰ°Konͧsti true @ at most once a week

And thats the point

20:12

U know nothing about the Community u want to judge

that's why I'm in #general and not just deciding things

U make it look like "im gonna fix it and u gonna like it"

jao well a good skip isn't noticed for some time and take same skills to pull off

@ᶰ°Konͧsti bug is a bug whether you like it or not, if it was up to you there'd be a tile that gives you the best rank if your name matches Konsti

like the skip of @RonIn

I don't see what's good about that xd

20:14

just a hard one

@n000b we can talk about specific skips after we finish the general rules

jao well, why isn't it done before then. because it needs skills to find those bugs

this chat is funnier than everything on TV

lol

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@Vaclav TV is a very low bar

I think I killed it... (edited)

are you typing an essay?

no Oo

20:20

was afk (edited)

" so, leave oldschool maps mostly alone, but fix bugs in newer maps?"

20:26

i.e. fix start line skips in old school maps

20:26

and fix bugs in newer maps, unless the author objects

@heinrich5991 there was no bug in verification 9.0, so I guess you want to change your last sentence.

count skip as bug

Then I don't agree

@jao You compared skips to bugs saying that they're a part of the game we shouldn't keep.. but I have a hunch a good portion of the community would prefer that they stay

20:42

There's such a small percentage of people discussing it right here - I think a broader scope would be helpful

poll?

That's one way

(polls are hard)

I think just going around to servers and asking actual players

20:44

lots of them

+1

The skip of @RonIn is just very good, it would be a waste to remove this. You know as a mapper that when you make such an open map, that there is a possibility that they skip parts. So better reject those then at the testing. And leave all maps like this.

would be a good start

not my decision, you are the admins

Just cancel that discussion and leave everything like it is

it's my opinion

20:44

and speaking for most of the mappers

20:44

I would guess

@n000b can we please not discuss specific examples right now?

you only see the player side gdin

@ᶰ°Konͧsti leave everything as it is = "evil admins delete sensible ranks"?

Well it is hard to discuss without good examples

doesn't sound too stable

Nobody reported or complained about Verification 9

20:46

so i dont understand why it got fixed

20:46

Just racist admins

But I gave my opinion and I leave this discussion now.

@jao Hmm perhaps

20:47

On the one map I had released on ddnet, I found a skip after release that I wasn't previously aware of

20:47

and then I used it myself lol, instead of fixing

was it a huge skip?

It skipped like half of the parts

20:47

maybe more

sounds like a case of mapper agreeing not to fix though ^^

@gdin @heinrich5991 snail just deleted a finish by starkiller and me on ghoul, would you give it back pls?

20:49

Did he?

Personally as a mapper, I'd find it fun/interesting to see which ways players could break and twist my map, to get the best rank - I wouldnt want to fix it

20:50

Mapper's choice is fine, but I still think there should be a statute of limitations

20:50

on how late after release it can be fixed

skipping the start line is not cheating

1 year

@Freezy did you skip large parts of the map?

second run yes, first run nothing

a year is longer than I'd like, but whatever people generally agree on

and which rank do you want to get back, @Freezy? the first run?

yes

use your teehistorian thing heinrich

Guys pls help, I'm near to the dead monkaS

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1

k

Let's go to kog

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lets go to fng

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2

KoG sucks

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@Freezy it seems you skipped and waited at finish for some time to make the record seem legit?

Better dont delete the ranks, just the map

what happened on that ghoul rank

I didnt mean u

21:06

Heinrich

please use a different adjective

I still have 1 questions. Shouldn't we ask Deen what if he thinks that legit skips are a part of ddrace?

n00b

21:12

open trashmap

21:12

and show me

I guess deen doesn't wnat to be bothered by this

21:12

but you can try, @n000b

@deen we got a situation here, you don't have to read it but I / we were wondering what you thought about legit skips, even if that means you skip 80% of a map. Because there are now some people who want to fix all those maps (except old school). But there is also a part of the community who thinks it is a part of how ddrace works.

the best skips are bugs

21:19

the even better skips are bots

21:19

botftw

im a botter

same

21:25

baumalein serves me well

Botters suck

ofc botters suck

21:26

that’s why bots are the best

but bugs and even glitches in the code are very nice for brain maps (Justice1+2 for example) And playing maps normal is boring, find creative ways and use ur brain is way more funny

bots are easy to detect (edited)

21:27

ddnet just doesnt try to

fuck that new server demos

21:29

noone likes them

21:29

pls delete again

teehistorian sucks

21:39

speedrunners cant keep their tricks secret now

its not like its public data

21:40

(but even if it was it woul djust create more competition)

If people find a nice trick and any admin watch the demo its just a question of time til the trick gets public

why

Cuz not any admin is trustable except deen

kamillentee for ddnet admin pls, he wouldnt be going to make that dumb decisions GWchadThonkery

yes, need more inactive admins

Better inactive than bad

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true

Anyone know if the maker of Kobra maps(Zerodin) is on discord or something? I'd like to ask him for the Kobra 3 artwork. I will get it as a tattoo

22:04

22:05

Or is it possible to rip the mapres from him? Long time since i mapped

you're like 12

22:06

why do you want a kobra tattoo

I wont explain to you why i want a certain tattoo. I've played teeworlds for ten years and a lot has happened in those years

22:07

I really like this design.

u were 2

22:07

when u started

Born with a keyboard and mouse in hand, problem?

yes

22:08

Oh dude you are one sexy boi thank you

When i was born i had a big joystick in my hand GWfroggyPoggers

i'm sure its not that big

3

gahahhaha

ye

22:26

he had my penis in his hand

:GWchadThonkery: how to use that emoji (edited)

@fokkonaut it's from a discord server

22:27

that has emojis uploaded for everyone and every server

22:27

like

here but you can use it in other servers too

lol give me

22:27

invite

ask konsti, I'm not in it

@ᶰ°Konͧsti invite me pls

@fokkonaut cant, Server is closed monkaS

?

22:31

arent there others

HMM

explain how it works pls xD

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Haxxor servers hacked discord database and put in their emojis GWchadThonkery

fucking cookie with eyes

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1

22:38

this emote is best

Its like insert emoji into database <:GWchadThonkery:366999788803325952>

now we only need :kicker:

@jao we have banhammer

Now we only need :konsti:

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It’s a potato

22:48

Konsti u should invite me to the server feelsgoodman

or a different server that gives me access to those feelsamazingman

. Or is is just discord nitro?

Lol add it its nice

https://forum.ddnet.tw/viewtopic.php?f=44&p=60015#p60015

someone didnt read that you can vote 3 times xD

@swoosh

23:21

why am i not there though

you made no maps

Ive voted me, Opana and Slaer cuz all the maps were released by me feelsamazingman

(edited)

why 01.12.2016

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that puts 2 maps from Feuerfaust Ace

23:26

that wouldnt be in

23:27

noname = Feuerfaust Ace confirmed

23:27

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3

blue sapphire 2016 too

23:29

there are a lot maps from 2016 thonkery

jao

23:29

binary

Best mapper 2000 is @snail GWchadThonkery

(wasntme) best map 2015

@ᶰ°Konͧsti voted for u

❤

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best emote OMG

yes

is it cookie?

:kicker: is better

when :kicker: will be add?

tomorrow

why is ur emote not small if i copy paste it

SeemsGood

23:30

im a hax0r

I know Kickers skin

23:31

Its this

23:31

pls add

fakenews

ok tomorrow

04.01.2018 ?

welf

23:37

is the best

no u