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@Learath2 bitcoin at 10k wtf (edited)

strongly considering cashing out so I can buy back in when it inevitably falls

@ZimE dont talk with the Traitor feelsbadman

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xDDD

mfw the cheating rat is back

Fake news, I'm Mr. Neverhaxx feelsamazingman

no u

@Learath2 bUt BiTcOiN iS a BuBbLe

I'm completely fine with it being a bubble as long as it keeps making me pocket change

@Learath2 i think i invest 10 bucks

can you pls go hack an exchange or sth so it starts dipping so I can get more

create own coin like moincoin xd @Learath2 (edited)

teecoin

Waw

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I m a stealer of teecoins

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yee go teecoin

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ddnet points = teecoin

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lel

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finsihing maps = mining

xD

@ChillerDragon Starkiller richest boi

hehe tru

New DDNet Client update with ingame Miner! Earn Points for finishing maps is oldschool, earn points for mining!

:D!

Isn't that why TW client always used 100% cpu?

https://hastebin.com/exaxevurir.sql

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seems like i get an error when cmake downloads googletest (edited)

@Ryozuki this should fix it: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/959

Fail gracefully when trying to automatically download GTest by heinrich5991 · Pull Request #959 · ddnet/ddnet

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nag @Learath2 about it if you want it merged

you should also add a option to specifically dissable gtest

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option(DOWNLOAD_GTEST "Download and compile GTest" OFF) #${AUTO_DEPENDENCIES_DEFAULT})

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instead of using autodeps

-DDOWNLOAD_GTEST=OFF (edited)

uh

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to much typing

or disable it in the config

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then wait for the PR

ill wait for it

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disabled gtest for now

<Learath2> heinrich5991: was it not disabled as default?

not on windows

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because no windows user is going to have deps installed

<Learath2> is it disabled as default with the PR?

no

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but it fails gracefully if it doesn't work

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i.e. it will not hinder compilation of the rest

also idk why it fails to compile

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or wathever

your git seems broken

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look at the error message

<Learath2> doesn't make sense to me, you want to do tests you either do -DDOWNLOAD_GTEST=ON or have gtest, if not make test failing makes more sense

git submodule does not work as expected

<Learath2> then cmake failing

git version 2.14.1.windows.1

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is this outdated?

I don't know

<heinrich5991> Learath2: cmake won't fail with the new PR

well latest is 2.15

<heinrich5991> but it'll still allow people to run tests without doing any configuration on windows

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<Learath2> heinrich5991: but it still runs gtest related steps

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<heinrich5991> yes

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<heinrich5991> only on first run or when CMakeLists.txt changes

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<heinrich5991> afk for quite some time :)

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<Learath2> many people building don't care about the tests tho :/

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<heinrich5991> so where's the problem?

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<heinrich5991> it will download gtest

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<Learath2> they are getting the steps done whether they like it or not :D

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<heinrich5991> yes

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<heinrich5991> they can configure it if they care

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<heinrich5991> anyway, afk for quite some time

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<Learath2> sure, i'll merge it

hmm

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seems like running it 2 times made it work

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all so weird

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this opengl 3.3 error still there :o

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@deen i compiled with bam now, no more floating point effects ❤ (edited)

<deen> weird, so cmake is passing wrong parameters

on windows btw

<deen> probably a log from cmake build would help us

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<deen> and from bam

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<deen> so that we can compare

@ZimE delete Windows, use Linux feelsgoodman

<nemo2> heh. I keep windows around even though I've been a 100% linux user since 2001

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<nemo2> just in case I need to return the laptop really

woah, in 2001 I had first computer

<nemo2> seems silly to throw away something with some marginal value. So I go into windows, turn off as many services as I can, turn off restore points, remove swap, turn on full drive compression, uninstall any preinstalled stuff.

without network connection D:

<nemo2> Then defrag

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<nemo2> and then shrink the partition down

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<nemo2> used to be I could defrag in safe mode but that seems no longer possible

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<nemo2> usually gets windows down to like 20 gigs or so. still a waste of space but, eh...

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<nemo2> Savander: heh. my very very first laptop was bought for me by my mom in 1996

my very very first computer tho was a trash-80

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<nemo2> (TRS-80)

i was born in 1996.

<nemo2> O_o

:D:D

<nemo2> feels old

wew im from 2000

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that special year

I remember, that we had windows 95 in these times

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And noone from my family, knows about Linux

u are never 2000 @Ryozuki xd (edited)

?

ur like 25 yrs old m8

<nemo2> heh. there was a time I had every DOS command memorised. was super scornful of wyswig document tools. wp51 for-ever who would ever want a tool where your formatting marks are invisible

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<nemo2> but did end up on windows for a few years

i'm from 2000 want it or not

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fake news

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im never older than u lel

why not?

because it feels wrong

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xd

Does it matter ?!

i guess no ._.

not my fault i'm from 2000 :D

<nemo2> Savander: you know, my first (crappy) game program is almost a decade older than you

I was showing it to heinrich5991 the other day.

ohh i want to see it too

lal

like from 1986 ?

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I mean, it's very interesting

<nemo2> https://m8y.org/maze.bas

It was hard to learn program those days

<nemo2> actually. not a decade older... more like... hm.

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<nemo2> 6 years older I guess

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<nemo2> hard to say. rescued it from an old floppy and didn't note down the date

Understandable

<nemo2> still runs fine in dosbox + qbasic

I think, in Poland

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it was pretty hard to has computer in 90s

yeah my fathers didn't even had one

<nemo2> there was a real incentive to learn to program at the time since my first DOS PC had exactly 2 games

pretty expensive

<nemo2> nibbles and gorillas

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<nemo2> so made games out of sheer boredom w/ the options

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<nemo2> It was neat that nibbles and gorillas were so easily modifiable tho - could learn basic just by screwing with their code

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<nemo2> we'd make like overpowered bananas and weird cities

What was the language, you used in your maze?

<nemo2> BASIC

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<nemo2> it's not really a maze

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<nemo2> I was a kid. didn't know maze algorithms

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<nemo2> enemy is not very smart either

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<nemo2> Savander: if you really wanna try it can help you get qbi, send me a /msg

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<nemo2> no idea what network you are on right now

The problem is, that i don't have IRC just discord

no /msg func

<nemo2> ah

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<nemo2> oh well

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<nemo2> Savander: https://hedgewars.org

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<nemo2> use the chat link on the header â˜º

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<nemo2> and. IRC foreva

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xd

<nemo2> yeah. that was my win screen

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<nemo2> I was an angsty youngster at the time

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<nemo2> I'm sure I thought it was edgy

haha

I will, but later

I have to go now

how old r u nemo2? o.O

<nemo2> apparently a lot older than you kids

ikr

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but how old?

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.__.

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do u still play teewoods nemo2?

<nemo2> I do in fact play teeworlds, sometiems

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<nemo2> ddnet was new

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<nemo2> heinrich5991 introduced me to it last week

thats kewl

<nemo2> is more fun than teeworlds IMO

but, I have to say. That I will never call myself as a Programmer. To be honest

At least, not in next 10 years

teeworlds is more fun than teeworlds?

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gg

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is ur teewoods name also nemo2?

<nemo2> well. heinrich5991 only showed me one map

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<nemo2> but it was more puzzle/strategy than teeworlds was

teeworlds = teeworlds mate

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xd

I think, you talking about modification to teeworlds, DDRace

<nemo2> yes

its still teeworlds lel (edited)

<nemo2> well. code has forked

That's right, it's more interesting

<nemo2> reason I'm addicted to Hedgewars and still contributing code after a decade is that the strategy aspect.

i can play it with vanillla teewoods client

<nemo2> teeworlds I mostly just jumped around and shot wildly

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<nemo2> maybe wasn't very good at it

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<nemo2> but didn't hold my attention as well

Teeworlds is pretty hard to skill up

<nemo2> this fork seems a lot more fun

it is

<nemo2> heh.

I think, that's why people stay to this game for a longer period

<nemo2> he did have to explain to me how to get through the maze

Like, I started with Teeworlds 10 years ago

ur tw player since 10 yrs?

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lel

<nemo2> it's also probably just I've never been a huge fan of RTS as a genre

thats long

<nemo2> I normally play TBS and RTS

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<nemo2> er

yes, in 2008 in january or so..

kewl

<nemo2> not a huge fan of FPS as a genre

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<nemo2> typo

Starcraft 1?

doodlejump (edited)

or less dynamic?

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I used to play StarCraft 2, it was very fun time

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but a bit to fast imo

if i edit messages they dont get fixed in irc chat am i right? (EDIT: hellu nemo2 can u hear me? o.O) (edited)

<nemo2> I do like starcraft

Yes, bot will send next message

<nemo2> at the time starcraft came out I switched quickly to total annihilation

@ChillerDragon every time you edit your message, the bot will resend it

ah kk

<nemo2> which had waaaaay better mechanics

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<nemo2> Spring is the FOSS version of that these days

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<nemo2> and warcraft ofc before starcraft

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<nemo2> I lost a warcraft tournament in college due to final battle being same day as date w/ SO

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<nemo2> If you guys are up for TA:Spring btw would be happy to update my build.

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<nemo2> haven't played it in a little while

basic sytnax looks great btw nemo2

<nemo2> basic syntax of?

nemo: afk again :/ can talk about crosscompilation this evening maybe?

ur game

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maze.bas

<nemo2> heinrich5991: oh. that'd be great

<nemo2> heinrich5991: yeah you saw we had an OSX user asking again

especially that

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what is it doing?

<nemo2> ChillerDragon: just some win or loss graphic I imagine

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<nemo2> ChillerDragon: /msg me and you can try it

/msg

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xd

<nemo2> I'm obv kinda proud and embarassed of my kid code at same time

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<nemo2> you can see for example I didn't really grasp functions

im to lazy to install some haxxor embedded alien system dos machine

<nemo2> O_o

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<nemo2> sudo apt-get install dosbox

sudo apt-get unilstall windows_fucking_10

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xd

virtualbox

<nemo2> that's a good start

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<nemo2> or dualboot

nono

I used to have dualboot

i prefer buying new hardware for new os

never used linux

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:D:D

1 os = 1 hardware

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or lill chillidreguhn gez crazy

<nemo2> Savander: why not buy like an intel NUC?

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<nemo2> Savander: or... just a dirt cheap laptop - there were some very functional blackfriday deals for laptops at around $150

Yea, but actually im looking for first job after school

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and in Poland, those "cheap laptopts"

<nemo2> if it can run windows 10 it can sure as hell run linux

are pretty exepensive

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due to our salary

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P

<nemo2> raspberry pi or NUC then

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<nemo2> there's a lot of cheap arm-based computing these days

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<nemo2> so long as you have a screen to plug it into

Probably I will try someday

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I was thinking about raspberry

i have nuu screen

<nemo2> hm. I wonder if teeworlds could run on gaming consoles

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<nemo2> seems from its design to be less memory intensive than hedgewars

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<nemo2> heinrich5991: isn't pixel based right?

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<nemo2> our biggest mem cost is the collision array and land textures

i think it's square + circles

<heinrich5991> nemo2: yes, we're tile-based

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<heinrich5991> nemo2: how do you save the collision? tightly packed?

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<nemo2> heinrich5991: collision is simply a 2 byte array. so a traditional 1024x2048 map uses 4 megs of RAM

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<nemo2> heinrich5991: whiiiich nowdays is really not that much

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<nemo2> heinrich5991: we did in fact get it running on first generation iphone. although with 1024x1024 map limit - I think we could probably have done 2048x1024 tho

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<nemo2> Maps/ClimbHome/mask.png: PNG image data, 2048 x 32768, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced

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<nemo2> that's the most extreme one so far

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<nemo2> 128MiB of RAM to load

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<heinrich5991> why is it a two-byte array?

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<nemo2> as opposed to what

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<nemo2> It used to be 4 bytes, I decided to crank it down since we didn't actually need that many

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<heinrich5991> 1 byte?

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<nemo2> heinrich5991: ah. no. it stores terrain type

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<nemo2> and other things

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<nemo2> https://hg.hedgewars.org/hedgewars/file/e5c461729fe3/hedgewars/uConsts.pas#l115

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<nemo2> heinrich5991: things are actually getting a bit tight as it is

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<eeeee> in teewebs i had an optimization to only store the game layer as a bitmap (for fast collision tests), and all other layers as rle packed since rendering scans them sequentially and overhead is not that large for that

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<nemo2> eeeee: yeah. we actually have 2 arrays. one for rendering and one for collision

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<nemo2> we've considered RLE for the non-collision one, but haven't bothered yet

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<eeeee> would be nice to research better data structures for collision as well

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<nemo2> eeeee: actually we are rather wasteful since we have 2 bytes for the collision terrain flags, and 4 bytes for the pixel data

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<nemo2> eeeee: in addition though there's also the gl textures

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<nemo2> but at least we don't create those for empty areas

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<nemo2> the one we should crank down is the pixel data. RLE would help there.

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<nemo2> at this point probably won't get fixed tho

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<nemo2> systems have more and more RAM - probably mattered back when we were trying to support really wimpy specs

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<heinrich5991> eeeee: collision trees or sth?

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<heinrich5991> like you have one big square

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<nemo2> heinrich5991: hm? all collision is pixel based

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<eeeee> agree, generally better to spend time adding new features for 95% of your users than making optimizations for the remaining 5%

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<heinrich5991> which splits into four more squares if the collision isn't the same over the whole square

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<nemo2> heinrich5991: oh. no

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<nemo2> heinrich5991: warmux experimented with that kind of model

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<nemo2> they never did get it to work properly w/ a fully destructible pixel world

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<heinrich5991> mhh

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<heinrich5991> okay

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<nemo2> don't see much benefit in it tbh

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<eeeee> heinrich5991: i see how that supports efficient point collision tests, but do you know how to do the line segment collision thing that tw needs?

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<heinrich5991> isn't that easily possible as well?

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<heinrich5991> you check the squares the line goes through

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<heinrich5991> which is better than the current: check after 1 "game-distance"

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<eeeee> yeah but how fast is it when your tree is dense

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<nemo2> https://hg.hedgewars.org/hedgewars/file/tip/hedgewars/uCollisions.pas here's all the collision tests btw

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<nemo2> they are maskable by terrain type

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<nemo2> mostly used to pass through hogs and objects

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<nemo2> but occasionally other things

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<eeeee> uh tfw i just now realized you're coding in pascal.. haven't seen any pascal codez in a long time

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<nemo2> eeeee: Rust is on the todo ðŸ˜‰

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<eeeee> cool

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<nemo2> it's a pretty C-like pascal. no OOP

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<eeeee> why though?

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<nemo2> why rust?

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<eeeee> yeah

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<nemo2> ton of reasons

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<nemo2> freepascal has had many compiler bugs over time. optimises poorly, has no llvm support.

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<eeeee> well i mean, C+ kind of works fine for teeworlds for example

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<nemo2> we constantly get people complaining about syntax. I have relatively little sympathy for folks who can't figure out that mapping but it is a minor issue

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<nemo2> rust though would free us from our occasional fails on things like failure to initialise or bad pointer math

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<eeeee> we're even migrating from C+ to C++ now

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<nemo2> wait. I thought that was a typo

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<nemo2> "C+" is what exactly

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<eeeee> haha, C+ is when your code isn't using stl or most modern C++ features but still isn't C either

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<nemo2> eeeee: https://hg.hedgewars.org/hedgewars/file/tip/gameServer2/src BTW

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<nemo2> ah

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<nemo2> never seen that as a term before

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<nemo2> eeeee: buuut, yeah, I wouldn't wish C++ on anyone

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<nemo2> I understand if you're already using it tho

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<eeeee> biggest advantage of c++ is that many people know it. i think our community would've been even smaller if we used rust

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<nemo2> how many active devs do you have?

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<eeeee> idk like 1.5 or so

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<nemo2> lol

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<nemo2> yeah. I'm not gonna worry too much about that TBH

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<nemo2> rust has a decent community and I think any dev worth their salt can pick it up ok

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<eeeee> fstd: are thou worth your salt?

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<nemo2> eeeee: doubt community could get much smaller than 1.5

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<eeeee> vanilla community did

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<nemo2> well. even w/ pascal we still have like 4 people still touching engine

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<nemo2> so I think we'll be fine

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<nemo2> hm. correction 5

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<Learath2> I think on the most active periods of last year we even had 3 people working on code \o/

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<nemo2> eeeee: not to mention that most of the remaining devs are fans of rust anyway sooo

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<nemo2> transition will never happen w/o that anyway

<heinrich5991> eeeee: https://github.com/heinrich5991/libtw2

heinrich5991/libtw2

libtw2 - Some Teeworlds stuff in Rust

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<heinrich5991> wrt rust ;)

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<nemo2> cool

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<nemo2> eeeee: see. you'd still have one dev

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<heinrich5991> it has a MVP server :)

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<heinrich5991> you can walk around

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<heinrich5991> eeeee: the kind of things that happen with c++ but not with rust btw: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/946

SQL stuff doesn't seem to do any locking whatsoever · Issue #946 · ddnet/ddnet

I have no idea how that hasn't fallen apart already. :o

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<eeeee> true but i'd rather have more devs in community than easy concurrency :P

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<eeeee> most tw servers are not massively multiplayer anyway, work just fine with 1 thread

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<heinrich5991> :)

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<nemo2> we had a lot of memory problems w/ haskell in past when server had a lot of activity

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<eeeee> i'd probably feel more in favor of rust if i still cared about running 128 player blocker servers

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<heinrich5991> nemo2: memory problems with haskell? sounds wrong :P

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<nemo2> heinrich5991: uhhhh

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<nemo2> heinrich5991: seriously?

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<heinrich5991> oh, as in: out of memory?

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<nemo2> yes

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<heinrich5991> ah

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<nemo2> gigabytes worth

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<heinrich5991> I wondered how you'd get segfaults with haskell ^^

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<nemo2> haha

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<nemo2> heinrich5991: anyway. I really am skeptical that C++ would draw more devs than Rust

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<nemo2> personally I avoid C++ like the plague nowdays

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<heinrich5991> ask Learath2, fstd for their opinion about rust :)

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<fstd> fetches some WD40 just in case

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<fstd> also have to sleep :( nite

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<eeeee> and speaking of langs, i wish someone did rewrite gamecore in lua

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<nemo2> heinrich5991: what's their opinion of haskell?

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<heinrich5991> it's a fine language

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<heinrich5991> why do you ask? :)

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<nemo2> heinrich5991: dunno. just wondering if dislike of rust extended

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<nemo2> there's similarities

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<heinrich5991> not really rust extended :)

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<heinrich5991> IMO

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<heinrich5991> different goals

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<nemo2> I mean

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<nemo2> if their dislike of rust extended to haskell

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<nemo2> due to similar features

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<heinrich5991> ohhh

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<heinrich5991> their opinion on haskell

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<heinrich5991> dunno

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<heinrich5991> probably sth like "some academic language"

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<heinrich5991> if I had to guess