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@Henningstone Interesting, want to make a PR ifdefing away all the additional mem_alloc stuff? Then we could try running it on DDNet servers and see the performance impact

https://forum.ddnet.tw/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=5821

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yo, sometimes i dont know if i should put this stuff into forum or in discord. i mean on discord i can reach the right group of people instantly, but it might vanish when other continue to write over it

Yes

just repeat

GER under attack?

GER LAGGING AFFFF

<nemo2> hm. maybe I should be asking here

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<nemo2> http://issues.hedgewars.org/show_bug.cgi?id=512 have y'all run into this?

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<nemo2> https://hg.hedgewars.org/hedgewars/file/a6f51ac9a3f2/hedgewars/uCursor.pas#l34 get crazy vals from SDL call if someone messes w/ xinput

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<nemo2> was thinking it was some SDL2 oddity

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<heinrich5991> deen: ^

<nemo2> SDL2 is probably the main reason it's been two years since last hedgewars release

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<nemo2> dealing w/ bugs in it stalled an already slow dev team even more

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<nemo2> ah well

<heinrich5991> I don't know about sdl2. maybe deen does, but he's not always fast to respond

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<nemo2> he helped us w/ our last SDL2 bug

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<nemo2> (some bit of code they'd stripped out from 1.2 then had to put back in)

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<nemo2> we still have a bug when apply textures to images wider than... 16k I think, but solved that by using our own texture copier which in general was less WTF anyway

<Wuzzy> hi. i want to help on the German translation. how do I start?

What do you want to translate?

<Wuzzy> the client

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<Wuzzy> and maybe server messages (if this is even possible)

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/data/languages/german.txt

ddnet - DDraceNetwork, a mod of Teeworlds

<Wuzzy> okay. where do i post the file when I'm done? :)

on github

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via pull request

<Wuzzy> works for me

you can click that http://www.wasz.ovh/img/s34z3gck98604

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button

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it should made pr request, after editing

<Wuzzy> DDNet isn't on Transfex like Teeworlds, right

i don't think so

<Wuzzy> ok, no big deal

also, i don't think so that ddnet support custom serverside messages

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i mean, custom languages

<Wuzzy> anything else i need to know?

but maybe i am wrong

@Learath2 ?

<Wuzzy> i mean, any weeeeird oddities?

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<Learath2> we don't have server messages translated yep

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<Learath2> Wuzzy: if there is some text in the client that refuses to be translated, hit me up i'll check

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<Wuzzy> good to know, thx

[ddnet/ddnet-scripts] Pull request opened: #6 remove Welf from Discord announcement

<Wuzzy> "Clan plates size" ... what's this?

I don't know, how open is this: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/612

DDNet Tutorial by timakro · Pull Request #612 · ddnet/ddnet

Code reviews are very much appreciated! How it works When a client is started for the first time the following steps are happening. The player is asked for his language. A short explanation of DD...

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but maybe it's worth seeing]

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Clan plates size

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clan text under the nickname

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you cna enable it in settings

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and change it font-size (edited)

<Wuzzy> some untranslatable strings I found:

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<Wuzzy> Friend message

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<Wuzzy> '<Player>' entered and joined the spectators

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<Wuzzy> Date

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<Wuzzy> also, most labels in the Controls menu appear to be untranslatalbe

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<Wuzzy> note the spectator message appears in the settings

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<Wuzzy> "Date" is in demos tab

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<Wuzzy> Learath2: ^

what strings exactly

<Wuzzy> i just posted them

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<Wuzzy> exactly

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<Wuzzy> so you should be able to grep them, I guess

"Friend message'?

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" '<Player>' entered and joined the spectators" ?

<Wuzzy> yes

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<Wuzzy> yes

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<Wuzzy> this can be found in settings

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<Wuzzy> as an example

Yes, but some string shouldn't be translated like " '<Player>' entered and joined the spectators"

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because it's the message,w hich server send to you

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So everyone has the same

<Wuzzy> no no no you misunderstand

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<Wuzzy> this string actually appears in the client

yes, but it looks the same when you join server

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so it would be bad to translate it, no?

<Wuzzy> ...

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<Wuzzy> Settings → HUD

I understand

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it's there

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but i don't see sense, to translate it

<Wuzzy> these examples are all translated for some reason

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<Wuzzy> except the spectator thing

But oother messages aren't hardcoded

<Wuzzy> hmm the fact that server messages can not be translated seems like a design flaw to me but anyway...

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<Wuzzy> many games are unable to do that, not that it's an excuse :D

:d

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i think you can add new translation like

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Friend message == Translation

<Wuzzy> no, doesnt work

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<Wuzzy> i run the copyfix thingie

right, Friend message couldn't be translate

<Wuzzy> oh, and i noticd the Reset button in many menus is too short. if translation is only ca. 3 chars longer, it overlaps the button

@Learath2 if I add "Localize("Friend message")" Then it should be translatable ?

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https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/cb00a294b82ec3f275cb00733b8dce91b4875a54/src/game/client/components/menus_settings.cpp#L1690

ddnet - DDraceNetwork, a mod of Teeworlds

<Learath2> 1690 and 1693 so the length is properly calculated

huh?

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #931 Add Speedup tiles correctly at the border creation

Allows speedups to be drawn on extended range(out of map range) too.

you need to get both the lines where i used "Friend message" @Savander

okay

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Wuzzy, what is not translatable?

<Wuzzy> the following:

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<Wuzzy> Friend message

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<Wuzzy> Dat

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<Wuzzy> oops, wrong string

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<Wuzzy> Date

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<Wuzzy> "Date" is in demos tab

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<Wuzzy> and "Friend message" is somewhere in HUD settings

that's it ?

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #932 Update German translation (27 Oct 2017 UTC)

Here's my update for the German translation of the client. I've already run the copy_fix update string. Have fun! :-)

<Wuzzy> Savander: I don't know. that's just what I found so far

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<Wuzzy> these 2 strings are the strings I found through a quick skimming through the whole program.

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<Wuzzy> oh, wait. most controls are untranslatable atm

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<Wuzzy> and most of the editor, but you prob. know that

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<Wuzzy> it's a shame that buttons seem to have a fixed length ... anyway. German translation is up. see above :-)

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #933 Small localize update

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/cb00a294b82ec3f275cb00733b8dce91b4875a54/src/game/client/components/menus_settings.cpp#L714-L719

ddnet - DDraceNetwork, a mod of Teeworlds

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Toggle dyncame etc, shouldn't be added tehre?

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there?

<Wuzzy> by the way: the amount of players I see online is surprisingly high. how did you manage to attact so many players? :)

DDNet offers servers around the world

<Wuzzy> that alone doesn't mean much. a game can have millions of servers but still nobody plays

And few years ago it was best alternative to ddmax, then ddnet went huge and well developed

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All the time new maps for ddrace, updates

<Wuzzy> ah. high dev activity is always a plus

DDnet has 4 or 5 years

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I think people got used to it

<Wuzzy> i know many FOSS games which really struggle to attact more than a serverfull of players at a time

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<Wuzzy> one sad example is Xonotic

FOSS games?

23:30

ah, open source

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I don't know why people Like teeworlds, i can't say

<Wuzzy> probably because of its simplicity. :D

I stay with Teeworlds for 9/10 years

<Wuzzy> i even played it in a LAN party once. it was great

yea, teeworlds it's simple, but hard to skill

<Wuzzy> ah, LAN parties. those were the times

you can't be like really good in few weeks

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it's impossible

<Wuzzy> the grenade launcher is tricky

maybe that's why people stick to that game

<Wuzzy> and i suck at the ninja mode :D i often get killed too fast

ninja mode?

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ah, katana

<Wuzzy> i'm not very faminlar with the Officially Sancioned Teeworlds Terminology(TM), sorry

Tbh, most useless weapon in game :PPP

<Wuzzy> but its fun as hell

at least on clan level

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yea, but it's just katana

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i mean, it looks like a ninja sword

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xD

<Wuzzy> Savander: about line 714. this looks suspiciously like a common localization trick, due to the way how string collection scripts work

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<Wuzzy> even if i know nothing about the code, I'm pretty certain this is where you'd add controls strings

Im not familiar with C/C++, but if i understand, it's used by external progrma

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but by C/C++ code itselfs ( because it's comment")

<Wuzzy> well, in gettext the trick is to put gettext_noop("Your string") somewhere

But i think, that structure, has list of localize options

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so probably we cna translate strings

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Without changing anything :PPP

<Wuzzy> gettext_noop just returns "Your string", but the scripts will search the source files for everything enclosed in "gettext_noop"

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<Wuzzy> its a little clever hack, actually

anyway

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we can translate whole settings tab

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yea

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I mean, Control

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Good night

<Wuzzy> yeah, in data/languages/scripts/twlang.py, you can see that it just looks for "Localize" things. pretty simple

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<Wuzzy> good night :)

Please don't translate map into "Karte"

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and "Indicate map finish" means that it shows whether you finished a map or not, not to show the finish on a map

<Wuzzy> well... translation can only be as good as the source string :(

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<Wuzzy> if the source string is broken, you cant blame translator

and "Unfinished map" means wehter you finished a run on the map, not that the map itself is unfinished

<Wuzzy> btw map was translted to "Karte" before

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<Wuzzy> jao, feel free to fix :P

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<Wuzzy> but "Karte" is a common translation in other games, i don't see a problem

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<Wuzzy> Stop Denglisch!

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"Freundnachricht" sounds wrong too

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most of it looks good tho

<Wuzzy> "Unfinished map" seems to be wrong source string then

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<Wuzzy> but given the very tight space, it's hard to think of a better string :(

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<Wuzzy> "Map in which no player managed to reach the finish line" is too long ;)

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<Wuzzy> maybe "Nobody reached finish line"

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<Wuzzy> ?

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<Wuzzy> or "Nobody finished"

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<Wuzzy> jao, I still don't get "Indicate map finish"... what exactly happens if this is on?

It indicates if you finished a map or not

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g2g now

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