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Between 2017-09-29 00:00:00Z and 2017-09-30 00:00:00Z

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hey, is there a way to control the client zoom server side?

no

ok thanks

think we only allow zoom in certain gamemodes @Laboon

It's not like, we can control how much people player see?

Yes that is possible I guess

10:57

but atm im working on a spectator mode and it would be cool if i could contorl the zoom

well it is possible to just snap in a radius or inside an arena to prevent looking outside

I guess you cant :/

but nope you cant control zoom

ok ,_,

10:58

would be a cool feature for developers I guess xD

I think, ddnet should be standalone game!

10:59

eventually with teeworlds servers, which will tell you

For example on ddnet tournaments you could choose the option "spectate best 2" and with the zoom you can control that the spectator always sees both teams

"if you want to play, download ddnet client"

yes i dont like that the normal teeworlds version is on steam either

we could break vanilla compat any day we want

why you don't like?

becaues new players won't stick to the game

@Learath2 it would give you a lot of more possibilities

teeworlds is cool i guess, but it sucks that most new players only get to see death match or ctf

11:00

which gets boring pretty fast imo

meh, i started play this game

11:01

when there wasn't any mods

yeah they leave before they ever uncheck the vanilla filter

11:01

I started playing on block servers and tournament servers

@Savander me too but there would be more players if they would know that teeworlds isnt just "dm and ctf"

I know

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But i can't really agree!

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Teeworlds itself should be more interesting

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I mean, standard gametypes should be more interesting

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like in others games

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you see standard gametypes, then WOWHOWHOW

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i found mods

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YEA

yes thats cool i guess hahahaha

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but it sucks that teeworlds isnt really continued being updated anymore

11:03

when was the last official teeworlds update?

think 0.7 is back on schedule

really?

they're releasing 0.7?

Any news ?

11:03

Show me lol

im interested

oy said he found someone to do the art a couple of months ago in irc

Ah oy

oooh

11:04

thats cool i guess

But official teedevs don't want to continue

would it be possible to maybe work togethre?

so i bet, teeworlds never will be updated

oy is one of the official devs

at least, not official version

the project is oy's now

so that the normal 0.7 client includes the ddnet features as well?

I know that @Learath2

11:04

read what he said on forum

and he controls the website aswell

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so it'll be as official as it ever was when oy releases a 0.7

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if that ever happens that is

idk wether it would be good or not

11:06

i know from the jump from 0.5 to 0.6 i didnt know where to play lol

11:06

0.5 servers went down but there werent that many 0.6 servers in the beginning

Oy on forum said, that Teeworlds0.7 will be never released

and the player count on 0.5 servers dropped as well

took us a while to get ddrace ported to 0.6

11:07

@Savander when?

which sucked because there was no tournament mod for 0.6 >:

if you are talking about that old post, it doesn't matter since a couple of months ago he came on irc and said he could go on

https://www.teeworlds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=120356#p120356

11:07

couple months ago

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Okay, he can. Why he don't want help of other devs?

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like heinrich, you

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deen ?

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they hate you because of ddnet or what

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he *

i dont get the hate for ddnet

he doesn't have the time for it and he doesn't want to admit it

when the server of the tournament mod went online for a few hours some people wrote "oh wow on ddnet no thanks" and left

11:09

i dont get this, if they want to play the mod they should. why would they disconnect just because they dont want to support ddnet?

I have a pullrequest on teeworlds/teeworlds that was open for 4 years now

I know, for me there should be more mainteiners

which won't happen

11:09

so there will most prolly be no new tw release

Yea, so let's make ddnet standalone

no point in breaking vanilla compatibility now

and fuck backward compatibility

If we ever get sth that we can't do because of back compat we can talk about it then

backward compatibility i scool as it is

11:11

it still brings a few players to ddnet i guess

and if we break vanilla compat any mod that isn't updated will no longer work

11:11

so no fng no zcatch either

and most features can still be enabled exclusively on ddnet clients from the serverside

and no mods that doesn't implement our new protocol either

You still need to think about vanilla players

on serverside it makes it a little more complicated you're right but not that much imo

I mean, it's talking shit now but, even if you would add something great to ddnet, but if it can't be compatible with vanilla, you can't

we can, it just looks bad on vanilla clients

And, why we woudl break mods ?

ddnet clients wouldn't be able to speak vanilla protocol either

im not talking about making new game,

11:14

so protocol, like now woudl stay

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no?

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so fng, and other gamemodes would work

well what do you think vanilla compat is?

You don't understand me

@Learath2 you could still do 2 different protocols, one for ddnet and one for vanilla

im talking about ddnet servers.

you want the servers not to accept vanilla clients?

that way you could make ddnet server standalone but you could still play on normal servers with your client

You do not maintain fng, vanilla etc.

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You maintain ddnet servers, so you would have more possibilities

I dont get it

xD

You are too pro i guess

@Laboon sure but why, it's not that much work to keep vanilla compat now that we have extended protocol

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we can even have new snap object types

hmmm

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idk wouldnt it make the development of features like the antiping more easy?

wouldn't matter for antiping

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antiping basically assumes some stuff to make predictions look better

hmm okay

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one question i have is, couldn't the ddnet client play the game more "on its own?"

anyway, about tw0.7

for example when you have a lagg spike 90% of the time the hook doesnt get registered

How it would be hard, to make ddnet compatile with that version?

11:20

I mean, it's even possible to push people to that version ?

You mean if it ever releases?

yea

It'd be painful to move ddnet to 0.7 given we'd get billions of merge conflicts

(y)

I guess we'd just pretend we are a 0.7 client/server at that point

ddnet is first bastion of teeworlds

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so D:

I don't remember how different the protocol is but shouldn't be too hard to have a layer that converts the messages for 0.7 clients and servers

generally, i think that

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even if it ever released

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it's a bit too late

@Laboon you could make that prediction, but then if the packet gets dropped you'd buzz around

too much mods, based on tw0.6

Oh ok that makes sense

I think normal prediction assumes smooth movement, don't really remember what antiping does

i bbet, predict people

11:24

grenade trajectory

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on ddrace is useful, when you have big ping and have to drag

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someone

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cause client can predict it

dragging with a high ping is cancer lol

use antiping, noooot that bad

naa

it's predictable

not really, what if the person you are dragging moves?

then it shakes

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but i mean, dragging through the freeze

oh yep that one works nicely

antiping is great for fng

antiping works perfectly on dummy drag maps (edited)

the shaking while frozen was annoying but they fixed that in fng2

we wanted to fix shaking while frozen, noone wanted it

i think the problem with my internet is that i have lagg spikes

lol why would anyone oppose that change

that is rather difficult to fix i guess

shaking while frozen is the most annoying part of the old openfng servers

noby, you can see if you are moving right/left

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if you jumping

i like the shaking when frozen

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with that i know when there is a laggspike

see there are people who like it

@Learath2, try to play with dummy

we had perfect freeze prediction in ddwar and people didn't like that one either

and be sure

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that your dummy is pressing right

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now you can see, because it try to move if you are on the dummy

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btw, you can make it optional?

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like, true by default, but if someone like that shaky tee

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then disable !

can't have options for everything

why not

noone would know what to configure then

full configurable game

it is a config option in fng2

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smooth freeze mode

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enabled by default + prevents shaking while frozen

Are you assuming that ddnet has a lot of options! ?

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Did you ever saw cs:go settings?

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you can do like everything

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best i could think of is do a "advanced seetings " button

we have such a button, it's the console

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right!

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LEARN people how to change something

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:

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D

well

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xD

then, they will learn others!

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:>

there are a few useful threads on ddnet.tw

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i like the bind thread for example

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: D

@Laboon server can set who the client is spectating

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so you can force people to watch someone specific

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(didn't read all of the chat, not sure if this was clarified)

Is there a way to make the client spectate a specific coordination?

no

13:00

only follow a player

I'm sure I did it with the 0.6 src a few months ago

13:00

not the ddnet source

or maybe there is? we didn't change much from 0.6 in spectating

m_viewpos just changes which chars are synched

13:01

ill look into the 0.6 src

I don't think you can fix the spec position

just make them watch the person?

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tee*

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it should be good enough, no?

naaa

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if everything else fails haha

could maybe rig something up by putting fake players in the middle of the arena and forcing follow on those

ill take a look how i did it in the 0.6 source and tell you how if i did it

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or not D

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because im sure it worked hahaha

try setting m_Position and m_UsePosition?

you mean in camera.cpp?

no

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i don't know where, just guessing

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or m_X and m_Y in SpectatorInfo

this didn't work

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I don't find mPosition in a server file . .

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I guess I did it

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m_SpectatorID = 1; m_ViewPos = vec2(0,0);

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I guess the spectatorID needs to be above -1

use the grep magick

grep magick?

:V

cat *.h | grep -nri "m_Position"

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i guess?

ctrl f did it for me but thanks haha

does your control f searches recursively over all folders?

in visual studio you can check "search current project"

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and it will search through all files in the project

ik

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but console is lot faster

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and visualy easier

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(i used vs)

i guess youre right here hahaha

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but im on windows 10 does cat work here? xD

yep

why is this message red

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seriously?

tried in the cmd but i just got the message that "cat" is an unrecognized command

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thanks!

red = not sent

13:21

discord is slow for some reason

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my last command is somewhat wrong grep -nr "m_aClients" *.cpp is better

When i build ddnet-master to Release (but not debug), i get a bug where, if you alt-tab out when in the editor, the mouse current position glitches out and x or y becomes NaN

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this doenst happen if i run the client downloaded from ddnet.tw, so i guess its something happening at my end

<deen> or undefined behaviour @Dr. Jekyll

Hm?

Embedded image

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The upshot of this is the mouse pointer is unusable in editor and needs to be quit

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #881 Crash when quitting from the editor

Opened the editor, loaded a map, did CTRL+SHIFT+Q Always reproducable.

Thread 1 "DDNet" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x00000000004cc96c in CEditorImage::~CEditorImage() ()
(gdb) bt
#0  0x00000000004cc96c in CEditorImage::~CEditorImage() ()
#1  0x00000000004d5bf1 in CEditorMap::Clean() ()
#2  0x00000000004e7ff0 in CEditor::~CEditor() ()
#3  0x000000000052c0de in CKernel::~CKernel() ()
#4  0x000000000042eefe in main ()

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