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GitHub BOT 2017-09-23 04:30:28Z
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ddnet-maps
[ddnet-maps:master] 1 new commit
21e1ca0 A Stop Over 1.0 - def-
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Ryozuki 2017-09-23 08:51:24Z
"To run the tests, you have to install GTest"
08:51
what is gtest?
08:52
ah
08:52
libgtest-dev
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GitHub BOT 2017-09-23 09:14:38Z
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Ryozuki
[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #874 Add instructions to run tests in README
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Ryozuki 2017-09-23 09:15:53Z
i think there should be a way to disable ci tests on readme and files that don't participate when compiling
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ezy 2017-09-23 10:40:38Z
I got a question. Lets say person a has rank 1 and person b has rank 2. But then person a gets an eveb better rank. Will the rank get overwritten or will person a have rank 1 and 2
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jao 2017-09-23 10:41:35Z
You only have one rank per name
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ezy 2017-09-23 10:42:03Z
Ok
10:42
Will person b then have r2 oder r3
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jao 2017-09-23 10:42:25Z
Rank 2
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ezy 2017-09-23 10:42:49Z
And when u do /top5
10:43
Will he be listed at 2 oder 3
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jao 2017-09-23 10:43:11Z
2
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ezy 2017-09-23 10:43:22Z
So rank gets overwritten
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jao 2017-09-23 10:43:30Z
Yes
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ezy 2017-09-23 10:43:35Z
Completely
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jao 2017-09-23 10:44:18Z
Your old times are saved, you can look them up with /times <name>
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ezy 2017-09-23 10:44:30Z
Ok
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K ty
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heinrich5991 2017-09-23 11:43:49Z
@Ryozuki what do you mean, disable CI tests on readme?
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Ryozuki 2017-09-23 11:44:13Z
and other files that dont participate on compile
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xPapla 2017-09-23 11:44:19Z
hello
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Ryozuki 2017-09-23 11:44:20Z
like the 3 tests done automatically
11:44
when you make a pr
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xPapla 2017-09-23 11:44:29Z
i'm back 👋🏻
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Ryozuki 2017-09-23 11:44:33Z
hi (edited)
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jao 2017-09-23 11:48:05Z
Hey
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Savander 2017-09-23 12:42:09Z
!!!!! @xPapla ❤
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xPapla 2017-09-23 12:42:17Z
😃
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heinrich5991 2017-09-23 15:08:19Z
@Ryozuki I don't really understand what you mean
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do you want to remove the badges from the readme?
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Savander 2017-09-23 15:09:57Z
Maybe we should have labels in issues? Like client, feature, bug, server, network
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?
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xPapla 2017-09-23 15:10:09Z
👍🏻
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heinrich5991 2017-09-23 15:10:26Z
does it have advantages?
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Savander 2017-09-23 15:11:30Z
arrangement ?
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irclink BOT 2017-09-23 15:13:31Z
<Learath2> heinrich5991: he means disable the CI tests on files that don't change compilation
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<Learath2> don't think I've seen any option in any of the CIs so we'd have to roll our own
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<heinrich5991> Learath2: doesn't seem worth the complexity
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<Learath2> most prolly, not like we have a limit on the amount of CI jobs we run
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Ryozuki 2017-09-23 15:16:16Z
yeah to complex i guess
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xPapla 2017-09-23 15:16:18Z
[ci-skip] ?
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irclink BOT 2017-09-23 15:16:22Z
<Learath2> nor does it take too long, except for travis which takes half an hour to find us a mac
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heinrich5991 2017-09-23 15:16:36Z
you can just merge before the tests pass if you want to disregard them
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irclink BOT 2017-09-23 15:16:39Z
<Learath2> yeah you can add [ci-skip] in your commit message but don't think we need to
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heinrich5991 2017-09-23 15:16:43Z
it's not like they're blocking
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xPapla 2017-09-23 15:24:08Z
u can trigger build only on tags
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heinrich5991 2017-09-23 15:24:36Z
but it's helpful that they trigger on pull request – we want to see if there's a compilation error
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Dr. Jekyll 2017-09-23 15:46:28Z
Who supports Trashmap here?
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Failed to change setting because an error occurred [Map]This error wasn't caused by you, please contact a server administrator to fix the problem
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Ryozuki 2017-09-23 15:48:04Z
ger is laggyt
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@Dr. Jekyll its @timakro
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jao 2017-09-23 15:50:21Z
@Dr. Jekyll is your map file larger than 2mb?
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Dr. Jekyll 2017-09-23 15:50:27Z
yes
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jao 2017-09-23 15:50:49Z
Then it won't work on trashmap, 2mb is the limit
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Dr. Jekyll 2017-09-23 15:50:51Z
The maximum file size is 5MB. The filename has to end with '.map'.
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Ryozuki 2017-09-23 15:51:39Z
ger is lagging D:
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jao 2017-09-23 15:52:13Z
The text is wrong then :p
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Dr. Jekyll 2017-09-23 15:52:21Z
K :[
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heinrich5991 2017-09-23 15:52:40Z
2MB maps? ^^
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Savander 2017-09-23 15:53:01Z
wow, are we living in 99 ?
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😮
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heinrich5991 2017-09-23 15:53:21Z
<grumpy grandpa> back in my day, maps over 100KB were considered big
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jao 2017-09-23 15:53:52Z
I'd say >1mb is big nowdays
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Dr. Jekyll 2017-09-23 15:54:04Z
5169k map :[ (trimmed to 3979)
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Savander 2017-09-23 15:54:29Z
1mb is big nowadays?
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where are we living 😮
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heinrich5991 2017-09-23 15:55:15Z
well, if it is useless? 😃 we could probably optimize it a bit
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Savander 2017-09-23 15:55:30Z
yea, we can optimize everything and its fine!
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but 1mb isn't that much xd
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Dr. Jekyll 2017-09-23 15:55:38Z
we went over this, its not optimizable
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timakro 2017-09-23 15:55:38Z
zaf or ger?
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heinrich5991 2017-09-23 15:55:55Z
@Dr. Jekyll sorry, I don't mean your map in particular,
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jao 2017-09-23 15:55:56Z
Savander you can make good looking maps with 300kb or so easily
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heinrich5991 2017-09-23 15:55:59Z
but the map format
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Dr. Jekyll 2017-09-23 15:57:10Z
the format is fine
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xPapla 2017-09-23 15:57:13Z
More compression! 😄
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timakro 2017-09-23 15:57:24Z
@Dr. Jekyll zaf or ger?
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Dr. Jekyll 2017-09-23 15:57:28Z
ger
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Savander 2017-09-23 15:57:46Z
No i mean, that in general. 1mb is not a big deal. We have enough transfer, space
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heinrich5991 2017-09-23 15:57:53Z
@Dr. Jekyll how can you say that the current format is fine if you haven't heard the proposal for a better format? ^^
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Savander 2017-09-23 15:57:53Z
to store thousands maps >1mb
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heinrich5991 2017-09-23 15:58:09Z
you have to transmit them to the clients as well
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jao 2017-09-23 15:58:11Z
It's also about downloading them
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Not only space on server
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heinrich5991 2017-09-23 15:58:22Z
tbh I don't know what percentage of ddnet traffic is map downloads
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Savander 2017-09-23 15:58:43Z
i said, enough transfer, proper connection speed
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heinrich5991 2017-09-23 15:58:52Z
traffic isn't free, @Savander
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Dr. Jekyll 2017-09-23 15:58:59Z
hmm actually envpoints aarent compressed so maybe it could be better
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Savander 2017-09-23 15:59:08Z
i know, but i bet
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you won't reach limit
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jao 2017-09-23 15:59:47Z
If you have to download with a bad connection 1mb can take a while 😄
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heinrich5991 2017-09-23 15:59:55Z
I was talking about server traffic
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server traffic isn't free
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Savander 2017-09-23 16:00:20Z
what do you mean by server traffic? Up/Down ?
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or maybe i missunderstood what you are trying to tell me
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😄
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heinrich5991 2017-09-23 16:00:34Z
map downloads is what the server sends
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xPapla 2017-09-23 16:00:59Z
bandwidth costs (edited)
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heinrich5991 2017-09-23 16:01:17Z
but [5:58 PM] heinrich5991: tbh I don't know what percentage of ddnet traffic is map downloads
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Savander 2017-09-23 16:02:42Z
i know that bandwidth costs, but nowadays providers gave you a big amount of bandwidth
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heinrich5991 2017-09-23 16:03:27Z
IIRC we had at least one country where we didn't have all too much traffic
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Savander 2017-09-23 16:03:29Z
especially for downloads, try to use OVH. Unlimited traffic
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heinrich5991 2017-09-23 16:03:42Z
we can't choose servers freely ^^
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we have a lot of different constraints, especially around attacks
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timakro 2017-09-23 16:04:18Z
@Dr. Jekyll fixed on ger
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Savander 2017-09-23 16:04:50Z
i know, but ovh in my opinion is good for storage systems
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anty ddos, unlimited trafficc, not big costs
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xPapla 2017-09-23 16:05:14Z
this talk is going to end nowhere
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pls stop
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heinrich5991 2017-09-23 16:05:17Z
you can throw money at problems
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or you can try to optimize it at a different level
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Dr. Jekyll 2017-09-23 16:05:52Z
Fixed how limit up to 5 ?
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Savander 2017-09-23 16:06:01Z
throw money at problems? Just choose proper hosting before 😄
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but right, you can optimize it at different level, didn't say that
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heinrich5991 2017-09-23 16:06:28Z
have you seen how hard deen had to work to find a proper server?
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more constriants don't help with that
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Dr. Jekyll 2017-09-23 16:06:54Z
@timakro still getting error on a 3979kb map
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heinrich5991 2017-09-23 16:06:57Z
have you seen the struggles to find a server that doesn't throw us out the moment we get attacked?
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Savander 2017-09-23 16:07:01Z
I know, i was here since 2014
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but im not talking about gaming servers, only about web servver
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and if i understand, maps are downloaded via http
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heinrich5991 2017-09-23 16:07:31Z
by ddnet clients, true
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Savander 2017-09-23 16:07:42Z
most of them are ddnet, no?
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heinrich5991 2017-09-23 16:07:51Z
yes, most of them are, I think
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timakro 2017-09-23 16:09:53Z
huh, just tested a 2.8m map
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Dr. Jekyll 2017-09-23 16:14:08Z
@timakro Then what's it testing for validdation? " If the uploaded file is no valid map the server can't run"
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it runs onlocal server
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timakro 2017-09-23 16:16:22Z
can you send it to me
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Savander 2017-09-23 16:23:01Z
Hm
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on solo, ghost resetes every passing of start line
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but time not
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irclink BOT 2017-09-23 16:28:35Z
<Learath2> @Savander we used to run servers on OVH before, iirc their anti-ddos didn't do much for us
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redix 2017-09-23 16:43:14Z
This is fixed in my ghost PR 😀
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Savander 2017-09-23 17:08:44Z
😮
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Push it!
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irclink BOT 2017-09-23 17:12:23Z
<Learath2> what are we pushing?
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Savander 2017-09-23 17:13:44Z
https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/869
Complete rework of the ghost and race recorder by Redix · Pull Request #869 · ddnet/ddnet
This PR fixes a lot of issues with the ghost and race recorder, introduces a new ghost file format and implements some pretty useful features. A quick overview: When you cross the start line multi...
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irclink BOT 2017-09-23 17:15:47Z
<Learath2> It's a big PR I haven't tested it thus I won't be applying it until I do :P
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Savander 2017-09-23 17:16:06Z
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irclink BOT 2017-09-23 17:16:21Z
<Learath2> Not even sure if it's a good idea for everyone
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<Learath2> does everyone want a recorder behaviour change?
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Savander 2017-09-23 17:16:57Z
request has a week 😄
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should be discussed
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irclink BOT 2017-09-23 17:17:27Z
<Learath2> record on tee spawn, stop after 20s(quite arbitrary imho) if race didn't start?
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Savander 2017-09-23 17:17:50Z
Not that bad, since on race
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the behaviour before startline is important as well
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irclink BOT 2017-09-23 17:19:00Z
<Learath2> but for ddrace it's quite useless
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Savander 2017-09-23 17:19:31Z
ghost is more usable on race
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shorter races, smaller changes in time
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irclink BOT 2017-09-23 17:25:10Z
<Learath2> would be nicer if we could keep record on start behaviour on ddrace and optionally enable record on spawn with 20 cutoff on race
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<Learath2> but yeah i've seen some weird behaviour from the recorder before so it def needs fixing
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Savander 2017-09-23 17:25:59Z
i agree
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Dr. Jekyll 2017-09-23 17:26:24Z
do people share ghosts?
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irclink BOT 2017-09-23 17:27:00Z
<Learath2> also idk how we check for race_start and race_end but might be a nice idea to have game messages for events like this
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<Learath2> might actually be cute to have the #1 ghost stored on the servers to be downloaded along with the map
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<Learath2> could see how your run compares to rank1
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Dr. Jekyll 2017-09-23 17:28:28Z
how are you syncing the ghost playback when YOU cross the start line, if theres an undetermined glength of time before the ghost crosses the start
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Savander 2017-09-23 17:28:29Z
yea, good idea
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anyway, that 20s cuttof
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is not only for demos?
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irclink BOT 2017-09-23 17:29:58Z
<Learath2> Savander god knows, as said I never tested it :P
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Savander 2017-09-23 17:30:18Z
:
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irclink BOT 2017-09-23 17:30:25Z
<Learath2> @Dr. Jekyll also god knows as idk how we get the race_start event at all
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Savander 2017-09-23 17:30:30Z
@redix god
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tel us
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irclink BOT 2017-09-23 17:30:51Z
<Learath2> we probably try to infer it from server time suddenly changing to 00:00:00
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<Learath2> and as we start the ghost recording from the same event, i'm guessing it lines up
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redix 2017-09-23 17:34:55Z
if available it uses the race timer (stored in the warmup tick) to determine the race start
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otherwise it searches for the start line. if it is non solo the race will restart on every start line touch
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irclink BOT 2017-09-23 17:35:38Z
<Learath2> warmup tick == 0 => race didn't start?
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redix 2017-09-23 17:35:56Z
end is determined by the finish message
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some flag is set when the race is running
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but in general it would be nice to have some netmessages to determine race start and end
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right now the code directly writes the ghost data to file. do you guys prefer to flush all data at the end of the race instead? 😄
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i could remove the 20s at the beginning of the demo if it is a non solo server. but having the few secs before race starts at the beginning of each demo should not be a disadvantage i think
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GitHub BOT 2017-09-23 18:29:22Z
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irclink BOT 2017-09-23 19:05:50Z
<Learath2> heinrich5991: do you think FetchFile maybe belongs in engine.cpp along with HostLookup?
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<Learath2> or anyone else familiar with the code ^^ :P
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Deleted User 2017-09-23 20:37:27Z
@Dev Hello, https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/612 As a part of this project, Dr.Jekyll & me are working on a tutorial map together. I asked timakro sometime ago if he could add a feature like the information tile for quads. Basically an image (animation in this case) which shows up when u stand on a specific tile. Since he isn't able to do it bcs of a lack in time. I wanted to ask if here is someone up to implement it. Thanks in advance.
DDNet Tutorial by timakro · Pull Request #612 · ddnet/ddnet
Code reviews are very much appreciated! How it works When a client is started for the first time the following steps are happening. The player is asked for his language. A short explanation of DD...
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Savander 2017-09-23 20:38:24Z
What with this ?
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Dr. Jekyll 2017-09-23 20:38:39Z
turn quads on and off
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conditionally
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Ravie 2017-09-23 20:39:20Z
basically animation triggers which everyone wanted since forever but never got 🤔
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Dr. Jekyll 2017-09-23 20:39:59Z
i could probably do it
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Ravie 2017-09-23 20:41:46Z
well you could just make clever use of paralax and clipping 🐱
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Dr. Jekyll 2017-09-23 20:42:12Z
triggerable clipping?
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Ravie 2017-09-23 20:43:29Z
no, just use paralax and clipping in a way that if you stand in for exampel a range of 5 tiles it shows up
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Deleted User 2017-09-23 20:45:05Z
With the amount of animations which we need to show up this isn't considerable expect we use 100 groups.
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Dr. Jekyll 2017-09-23 20:45:13Z
ye
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Ravie 2017-09-23 20:45:22Z
100 is not that much
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ever looked at journey man in editor
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Learath2 2017-09-23 20:48:37Z
eeeh do you actually need animations ot be revealed?
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GitHub BOT 2017-09-23 20:49:07Z
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Dr. Jekyll 2017-09-23 20:49:16Z
it looks kinda cluttered when they are all all going on at the same time
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Learath2 2017-09-23 20:50:12Z
I can't really see how you'd do sth like animation triggers without the code looking horrible
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timakro 2017-09-23 20:50:35Z
the code in that pr looks horrible already
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Learath2 2017-09-23 20:50:52Z
deen: Is there sth like forward-declaration for a typedef?
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trying to avoid an extra include if possible
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GitHub BOT 2017-09-23 20:53:31Z
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irclink BOT 2017-09-23 21:19:49Z
<Learath2> did we change something about how we build in 10 series?
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<Learath2> none of the prebuilt clients after DDNet 9.3.1 work for me
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<Learath2> http://paste.pr0.tips/TT
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<Learath2> if I build any of them myself it works
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GitHub BOT 2017-09-23 21:30:42Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #875 Get rid of unnecessary queue in CFetcher
Use a CJob instead. Also kept fetcher as a separate interface but it might also fit in IEngine along with HostLookup Appears to be working on Linux x86_64. Please test it on another platform before merging.
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GitHub BOT 2017-09-23 22:39:45Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #876 [?] Add condition variables
Not sure if we want this anymore given we have C++11 now. Already had it so wanted to PR it.
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HMH 2017-09-23 23:08:35Z
This seems to be a rather bad idea: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/src/game/server/entities/character.cpp?#L1240 I guess we should think about how to handle tees in a team that already finished whereas the whole team did not yet finish again.
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ddnet - DDraceNetwork, a mod of Teeworlds
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Kill immunity
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irclink BOT 2017-09-23 23:17:58Z
<heinrich5991> Learath2: could be put into engine, yes
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timakro 2017-09-23 23:41:40Z
how to use cmake to build only the sql server without having libraries for the client installed?
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heinrich5991 2017-09-23 23:42:37Z
cmake -DMYSQL=ON -DCLIENT=OFF ..
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timakro 2017-09-23 23:46:14Z
whats the target for the server with sql? it says DDNet-Server_sql doesnt exist
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heinrich5991 2017-09-23 23:46:27Z
just DDNet-Server
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timakro 2017-09-23 23:46:35Z
ah i see
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irclink BOT 2017-09-23 23:50:08Z
<Learath2> @HMH why do we have kill immunity in the first place?
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<heinrich5991> because without it, people would 1) not get ranks because they got killed before the race finished or 2) get the whole team killed because it is locked
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<heinrich5991> it was done because old maps typically had kill tiles directly behind the finish line
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<Learath2> 1) sounds about right no? if you die before the finish you don't get a rank
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<heinrich5991> you could perhaps actually kill them and not let them respawn until the team finished
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<heinrich5991> no, everyone has to finish before anyone gets a rank
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<heinrich5991> in a team
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<Learath2> ooh i see what you mean
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<heinrich5991> "you could perhaps actually kill them and not let them respawn until the team finished"
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<heinrich5991> I think that is actually the solution, right there
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<heinrich5991> maybe post an issue about that
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<heinrich5991> make them "paused" so they can watch the others
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HMH 2017-09-23 23:54:29Z
just save names of tees who passed finishline in the teamobj maybe ?
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irclink BOT 2017-09-23 23:54:46Z
<Learath2> that would work, or could have a pending rank in team, so when the team finishes even if everyone is not there everyone who crosses the line gets a rank
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<Learath2> btw now that we have C++11 are we also upgrading to STL?
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<heinrich5991> I don't really understand. the team should only get a rank if everyone inside it has finished, right?
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<Learath2> or still avoiding stl like the plague?
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<heinrich5991> sounds unrelated to c++11 tbh ^^
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HMH 2017-09-23 23:56:44Z
well we will likely pull in threading
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irclink BOT 2017-09-23 23:57:00Z
<Learath2> when thou crosseth the finish line in team your name gets added to an array
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<Learath2> inside the team object
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<heinrich5991> don't think about it in terms of code plz ^^
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<heinrich5991> but in the behavior
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HMH 2017-09-23 23:57:40Z
rather save the name of finished tees if they kill
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irclink BOT 2017-09-23 23:58:00Z
<Learath2> you die, it doesn't matter because everyone who were in the team at any point and crossed the line at any point gets the team rank
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HMH 2017-09-23 23:58:51Z
if you just save all names right after finish and someone still alive changes name not the thing they expect will happen
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irclink BOT 2017-09-23 23:59:04Z
<Learath2> but what happens if you die and rejoin the same team
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<heinrich5991> you can't rejoin a team that has started
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HMH 2017-09-23 23:59:15Z
does not work
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irclink BOT 2017-09-23 23:59:22Z
<heinrich5991> yes. and where do you go? you go into spectator mode or where?
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