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why on this server kill protection won't work? Optik accidentally killed himself near finish and after finish we tried to test kill protection and we killed yourself with bind

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Seems like you were fast, killprotection works after 20 minutes

2

nope, there were more then 100 mins

wtf

maybe he bound kill; say /kill

20:40

?

killprotection should be like 5 minutes

it's configurable

; doesnt work without extra command

where

i meant. Configurable via server_config

20:41

but okay, maybe should be configurable for each player

20:41

or smth

it really should

idk what he bind but it worked for me then there is always kill protection with my bind after 20 mins (edited)

especially in locked teams

20:42

I love slipping off to my kill key

you tested it now?

he told that he tried to chat smth, but we didn't see chat cloud above him, so I think he accidentally push kill bind button

idk, some people boud say kill and kill

20:44

idk why, but

its not the bind, I told you I tested it with my bind, and my bind never let me kill myself after 20 mins

but you understand what im saying?

20:45

if you say /kill; on chat

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it doesn't amtter if its 20 minutes

yes he gets you

or 5 minutes

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you wil die anyway

he didn't type /kill and problem is not with what he did, my bind killed me then it shouldn't

so you tested it yea?

20:46

which port

yeah

ZULUL

20:46

happy

nvm i got

All like?

20:47

:p

@1110010hacker1101011 its developer channel, pls don't go offtopic (edited)

@Lumpy ◐ω◑ ok (edited)

20:49

music

question, did you finish?

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but on other servers even after finish it won't let me kill with bind

nope

20:50

after finish, your time is set to server-time

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then you can kill yourself

20:51

it only works, when you are while racing

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after finish nope

True

because then it doesn't matter if you will die or no. :PP you finished anyway so

is it smth new? coz if I remember correctly I couldn't kill myself with bind after finish

Emoticon_Smile_Face

nope

20:52

it works like that since

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i wrote it

20:52

:p

hm

you need to "bind k kill" not "bind k say /kill"

ok, I'm testing it right now with u

15 mins to go

saying /kill always kills you

I have bind f9 "kill"

which actually is a weird way of doing this, maybe we should ask for confirmation in any case after 20 mins

20:54

could also maybe get x% of the average finish time

for what? /kill is extra command anyway

@Savander Savander |KoG| this /kill (edited)

I've seen a lot of people suggest "bind k say /kill"

20:55

which is stupid

it is, right

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but it will work only on ddnet

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so, if poeple are stupid

it isn't right

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it bypasses kill protection

they can do

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/kil /confirm in bind. but

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maybe we can add something like

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"Confirm kill command by saying /kill again"

we should just require two kill inputs of any kind

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so if a flag is set kill the guy on any kill input if not set the flag

or maybe, we should just switch the name of command

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to something more. . .

20:58

ehm,

switch the name of which one?

./kill

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to maybe

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./confirm_kill

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Maybe poeple just think that

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/kill is the only way to suicide/restart game

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so they binding it

well if it's going to be ./confirm_kill it shouldn't kill you at all

20:59

well it effectively is the only way to kill oneself after 20 mins

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i propose we make /kill and kill analogous and make them check a common flag

21:00

so even if people bind the wrong one they still get kill protection \o/

so if you want to commit suicide, you need to kill yourself twice?

21:01

i mean, send flag

after 20 mins yeah i guess

what if you accidentialy press kill twice? D:

you could always get a bind like say /allowsemicolon;/kill;/kill to nuke yourself

yea, i know that

well if you are spamming kill you prolly want to die

i don't think so, sometimes you wwant to start chating

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you are writing someone, then OH cmon

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i didn't press "T"

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buum, you are dead

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because you type twice "A " XD (edited)

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or somehitng

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Idea

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if you want to kill yourself, then you have to type random string, which will be generated by server

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yea, nobody will kill accidentialy

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or something like PIN, 4 numbers

that's just ridiculous amount of work just to kill yourself

21:05

don't think we get that many accidental kills either

but look at it from another side.

21:05

you are playing an insane map (edited)

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then you are accidentialy press twice kill command, OH CMON i died

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but now, you have to type 4 numbers, random numbers

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if you really want to die

21:06

everyone are happy

@Learath2 not so many with 20 min protection, but then it won't work its kinda bad

cause it will be neccessary only afeter 20 mib

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;D

well i'm not sure

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we could poll for it i guess

i have a proposal, let the people who don't think when doing their binds recieve it's consequence :D

i for one wouldn't want to type a PIN just to reset a run

pin sounds overkill

it was just a stupid idea, don't take it serious

/kill -y

make it the unix way

/kill --yes -r='because yes" -R (edited)

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with -R

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it will kill everyone, recursive

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V

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:V

/kill --force --verbose --reason="I hate my life"

1

rm -rf / --reason="suicide is the only option"

once

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i did chmod 000 -R

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in .

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:/

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or

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no it was

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chmod 666 -R

@Savander type all in one sentence please xD

sorry, im old. It works like that 15 yeas ago

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lol

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i pressed enter every word

(stupid wont) (edited)

no one liked that ever, they were just being polite

(edited)

i didn't say

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anyone likes that

21:13

i said, it was LIKE THAT then xD

was it?

yup

21:13

It felt like a dynamic conversation, you know

<Learath2> MSN, AOL?

?: O

set protection time to the (average finish time)/2

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maybe would be a good idea

Being able to set your own protection time might be nice

http://z0r.de/7898

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it wouldnt save accross servers nor accross disconnects connects i think

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so my idea is better imo

Ryozuki that would be bad on super long or super short maps

easy to fix

21:15

set a min and max

we can add to client

So basicly like it is right now

kill protection time

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mm

21:16

that would be it

<Learath2> ooh an account system would work nicely with that :P

@Savander :D xD

Learath2, yea!

@Learath2 you went to the dark side (irc)

anotherer advantage !

<Ryozuki> :o

21:16

<Learath2> much much easier to use irc

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<Ryozuki> much lightweight and faster

fuck lightweighting

xd

i like dark theme, future (edited)

:/

i have dark theme in irc

<Learath2> my irc theme is completely dark

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<Learath2> much darker then the discord theme too

with, fireworks

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and effects

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!! !

21:18

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im web designer k?

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not C

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lel :c (edited)

@1110010hacker1101011 int 0x80

404php

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http://www.wasz.ovh/img/lVT2DjUD50155

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The "int" instruction calls an interrupt. An interrupt is basically a signal to the CPU which stops it, and calls a special handler function (declared in the IDT, or Interrupt Descriptor Table).

On many UNIX-based OSes, interrupt 80h, or 128, triggers a system call (with the call number in EAX, and its arguments in EBX, ECX, EDX, ESI, EDI, and EBP). This is highly implementation specific, and could do anything in different OSes.

#bored

@Tasar What 0x80?

int 0x80 its an assembly instruction

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explained in the big text i sent

ah

@Learath2 true dark side xD

:\

look like a, 80s star wars

it could be worse

system to destroy the planets

21:22

like @deen is mother-planet or smoething

For a second i thought i had a Friend ;__; (edited)

i had greyer colors then that

zwel is a moon (edited)

but i noticed it looks much better likes this

https://www.vivaolinux.com.br/imagens/artigos/comunidade/bitchx.jpg despite the name, looks cool ascii

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meh, i don't like console look

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:/

@Savander I didn't either

i like the style of the ubuntu terminal

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its beutiful

but then you notice how much quicker you can work on a terminal

Could you show me?

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maybe, but i don't need to be quick as possible

with oh my zsh u can do this https://raw.githubusercontent.com/zakaziko99/agnosterzak-ohmyzsh-theme/master/images/agnosterzak-01.png

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:O, lookss/ pretty

see when you take out the pain of working through a (most of the time badly designed) ui and add all the gained time to doing things that you actually enjoy it's worth it

maybe, but im not using linux muhc time.

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rather, photoshop/adobe_premier_pro/after_effects

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and phpstorm to code in PHP and HTMl/CSS + JS

well in your case it's different, I do a lot of C and most of the time windows gets in the way

console is only ran, when im using pug with sass

with it's ugly ass unresizable 1960's console and half ass'd support for C99

yea i klnow, web development is much different

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than c programming

visual studio + c# works so well

oh yea, using C# with unity

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but i don't need to use conosle then, Unity do it for me

i've done some web development on linux for the last couple of days, I must say i'm quite impressed with how much the tooling improved, but still nowhere near the adobe CS

vim is still best

as a editor yes

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its not an ide

I'm learning Sublime Text 3

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there is vim mode

loved working with Unreal, not so much with Unity, Unity seems to have contradicting information everywhere even in its documentation

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Sublime Text 3 is brilliant

http://spacemacs.org/

contradicting information?

fkin emacs

The best editor is neither Emacs nor Vim, it's Emacs and Vim!

hate emacs b/c emacs tries to become a bloody OS

thats the spaceemacs desc

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spacemacs = vim + emacs

there is a goddamn teledildonics plugin for emacs

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thats how it looks

it looks cool

vim all the way

@Ryozuki good photo

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cool +++++++++++ (edited)

vim ftw!

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gdin + manjaro

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c has foreach?

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nice

my vim used to look all cool, then i lost my vimrc, then i didn't want to bother creating a new one, then i found sublime

http://www.wasz.ovh/img/JOr2jfmi50244

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@ZimE that is python, was trying to serialize the entire gamestate with generated code

LARAVEL :V

.h python

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wut

Omg get theme for sublime text @Learath2 https://github.com/ihodev/sublime-boxy

ihodev/sublime-boxy

sublime-boxy - The most hackable theme for Sublime Text 3

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;-;

@ZimE if you pay attention i'm most certainly on the tab of genser.py

i tired

21:34

sry

looks cool

21:34

@Oblikumquat (edited)

@Savander never quite enjoyed using frameworks in PHP, they usually do one thing wrong which gets me mad then i end up rewriting the entire thing

im using laravel , cause i need to find a job

21:35

laravel is most common framework used in web development

@Savander actually yours looks pretty neat as well is that the material theme?

symfony?

yea, material + Jeffrey Way (edited)

@Oblikumquat used to use Cobalt 2

laravel is most popular

21:36

don't want to split myself

i really love the background color in monokai

I can't stand the white sidebar on the default theme on sublime

get atom

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❤

using atom for pug and sass xD

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(y)

@Savander obv, it's just that I have issues

https://pugjs.org/api/getting-started.html

atom takes 300years to load up

^

now ay

ye atom is so slow

i used atom

takes 5 times the hdd space

and it was faster than sublime

i replaced atom with vs code

maybe my computer is too good (y) (edited)

even after i load it up it's slow in editing files

For some reason I always see "Ryozuki is playing Visual Studio Code" on discord (edited)

cause, Ryozuki is pro codder. Anyway

@Savander i have 16gb ram and 4core 3.2ghz computer with a 350€ gpu and its still slow

how about your game?

im not pro xD

you are!~

@Savander working on it, its a long way

ryozuki u forgot to tick "fast mode"

:). anyway. Sublime is good for a projet, where you know every class, function and code

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when you are working with framework

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it's better to use some ide

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like phpstorm, for PHP

i even tried some bleeding edge optimized build that cut down on loading times by 80% and it was still slower then sublime and vim :/

u cant be faster than vim

lul

nope

sublime ends up being faster for huge files actually

rly?

21:39

didnt know

b/c sublime doesn't load the entire file at once while vim won't render it until it's all in memory

and i thought atom > sublime... i uninstall atom now, thx guys

@ZimE by all means use what you enjoy

i love the atom trailer

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7aEiVwBAdk

Introducing Atom 1.0!

it's about productivity not about following the bandwagon

i like to join ur bandwagon

i love the atom git integration while the one in sublime sucks bull testicles

I'm annoyed that sublime text constantly nags me to pay for it Also you probably can't beat the git integration on atom considering that github made it

reason why i don't use sublime

crack it urself

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lul

nah

21:42

i like more vs code

i'd gladly pay for it if the guy wasn't smoking crack with that 70$ price

21:42

like WTF

XDD

ikr, $70 wtf

crack lul

i'd pay 20-30$ easily

it's a great editor tbh

@Learath2 poor guy, he needs his daily coffee

if he sold it for 30$ i'd bet a lot more people would buy it

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sure he'd need to triple his sales

We need an economist

he should be like putin, decrease taxes

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more people will buy it

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like more pople now pay taxes

21:44

IDEs are all doing it wrong too

21:44

instead of making things lightweight they pile on feature after feature

Facebook shows me that: https://teamsql.io/

TeamSQL - Multi-Platform SQL Client

TeamSQL is a Multi-Platform SQL client built for collaboration, usability and performance. TeamSQL supports MySQL, PostgreSQL, Microsoft SQL Server and AWS Redshift and runs on macOS, Linux and Windows. You can join TeamSQL Private Beta Program now!

21:44

looks perfect

dark design

dark ftw

21:45

light themes shouldn't exist

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they are eye killers

dont jump o nthe dark bandwagon guys!

had the "pleasure" of using Visual Studio a couple of days ago, took me 5 hours to rebuild the stupid index, 2 hours for VAX to rebuild it's index and when i unloaded a project from the solution it did it all again

i havent got a problem with vs studi

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it works better with c 3

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c#

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*

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than c++ tho

i used it for both and you are quite right about that, C# seems to work better, but both crap out at the huge scale of projects that VS claims to cater for

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just try loading the UE4 engine code on a computer that is less then the latest

its true vs eats lot of ram

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lucky i have lot :P

don't get me started on MSVC which has no business calling itself a compiler

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I had 16gb on the pc here back in turkey and it quickly hit the ceiling and slowed down considerably, b/c oom you know

m$ made c# and vs so obviusly they focused their ide to be perfect with c#

lol, it's windows

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that's normal, it eats

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16gb ram

@Savander it eats <2gb

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depends what im doing

@Ryozuki m$ was working on MSVC and C++ looong before C# was even a thing

msvc sucks

@Ryozuki try loading a huge project like UE4 or some other recent engine

What c++ ide does everybody use when they don't use visual studio

UE4 looks like a too big engine

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i prefer unity xD

no IDE at all seems to work amazingly for C++

yea

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never found a perfect one

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@Learath2 you tried qtcreator?

it also encourages better programming practices then spamming autocomplete

I tried modding some TW code with eclipse, but it crashed a lot

@Learath2 http://www.codeblocks.org/

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yeah i used eclipse the first time around too

i dont like eclipse

You tried CLion ?

yes

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vs is better

nice IDE so sad that they bloated it to crap with features and it's written in Java(eugh)

Doesn't Jetbrains stuff cost a ton

depends

not that much if u are student etc

CLion was cute, QtCreator meh, DevC++ horrible, VS sluggish

Oh thx @Ryozuki I didn't notice that

i guess im to used to vs ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

never got around to using code::blocks b/c when i learned about it i was already enjoying my split screen of text editor and terminal

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@Ryozuki VS works fine for the small stuff and the lag becomes less and less noticable the smaller your project is

What about, Dev-C++?

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@Learath2 how much ram you have?

but then you try sublime on the same project and it skips around code like its butter

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@Ryozuki 32G

lol

it's not about the ram

why so much?

21:55

you render or smth?

he stroe data in ram

modern games and shitty browser coding sucks my ram dry

32gb is overkill still i think xD

neither of them give 2 shits about memory management b/c modern languages teach them to just leave it to the GC

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like a php programmers

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and working with big data

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(y)

well brb playing lol

you trigger a manual GC cycle in Rust (Unity) it takes down ram usage by 6G after an hour of play

select * from big_table with milion records

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yea, to ram

google chrome and firefox both love just taking all available ram

right, but imo. firefox is slower

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and generally, i don't like it

and i like playing inbetween working in unreal so that also takes a crapton of ram

are you working on some kind of game?

I used to love firefox, then they added garbage after garbage, making it slower and slower every patch

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so now i have to use chromium which also leaks as much but atleast it works fast

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yeah working on a VR game to get admitted to a lab here in turkey (they have 6 oculuses, 2 htc vives, PSVR, OSVR, dual r9 390x all around)

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it's like a dreamworld

:o. What kind of game?

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simulation ?

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or just VR experience

the beauty of being in turkey is everyone here is straight garbage or don't care about their work

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working on a sandbox kind of game

minecraft

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in VR

oop

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have you any screenshots/previews?

me and a friend we push out prototypes in like 3-4 days while it takes the turkish guys in the same lab 4 months to get a working prototype of a bloody drum game

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@Savander not on this pc

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doesn't look to impressive yet without any models or textures

but works so

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Unity have assets store

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i really like it.

i'm no good at graphics work

I can focus on coding

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instead of making textures/models

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cause, i can't

well my friend is a gfx guy so he got that covered

oh, that's nice

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My friends, are generally programmers

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(those which want to make games)

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:<

<Learath2> i have lots of friends who want to make games

we don't fit hehe

<Learath2> none of which seem to want to put any work in it

they put

<Learath2> so i end up making a working prototype with all the code working and they just never deliver on any level design or modelling

they even did some prototypes, but we started maybe few months ago, to think and work on something (edited)

<Learath2> then i feel like choking my friends to death

If they don't want to, then maybe you should find someone else

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who really wants to make games

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not just saying

<Learath2> i have like 5 people nagging me saying they want to make games

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<Learath2> i don't start on anything until they deliver a GDD and some work

haha, right

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i made one GDD

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with friends

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a week ago

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but it is in polish, so you wouldn't understand./

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I force them to make that stuffs.. projects, mechanics

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before starting anything

<Learath2> someone uploaded the wrong episode of a series on this stupid site

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<Learath2> now i have to find the episode somewhere else :/

hmm?

<Learath2> some guy just uploaded S04E13 and named it S04E12

what a devil!

yes quite evil indeed

<Learath2> i'll go get some sleep, nice chatting with you Savander

good night

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maybe you can listen to polish disco polo

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before sleeep? ha!

disco polo?

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I listen to a lot of russian rap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY4ChS6plho

BASTA - KOCHAM TEN STAN (Official Video)

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<Learath2> 10/10 :D gn8 @Savander

thanks, good when you have bad mood

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gn8

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