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Between 2017-05-09 00:00:00Z and 2017-05-10 00:00:00Z
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@kchaber I dropped a response for hi_leute_gll's post and I'll drop one to yours in a sec
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I have read your post brutaler. Now we should wait for response from community. Also, I don't really understand what hi_leute _gll wanted to say, game will be boring? In which way :o. He likes botters/trollers ? For what? everyone hates them
09:49
Weird person
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Some kind of trolls are fun, thats right, but I don't think an account system would limit them.
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I don't see fun i trolls. But you are right, account system wouldn't limit them
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@kchaber the notification system somewhat exists already btw https://github.com/Piepow/TeeStalker
TeeStalker - Receive browser notifications for every move your Teeworlds stalkees make.
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I love how the main argument is that it'll DESTROY the game 😄
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DEFINITELy
12:34
It will cause BLACK HOLE 😮
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@Learath2 hi leute arguements against the accs are that there wont be more trolls xD (edited)
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I think @Elfi is TeeStalking me :v
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Guys, let's make a project on kickstarter
14:02
about new freaking game called "i don't know now".
14:02
Money for improving teeworlds
14:02
fuck yea
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everytime there is some idea, savander wants to get $$$ from it lmao
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lmao, ofc i want $$$ to pay devs
14:03
(y)
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sure xd
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btw, when i said i want money LOL
14:03
Are you talking about t-shirts? Where i said, that you can sell them cheaper? 😄
14:04
even with profit, to maintain ddnet 😄
14:08
The problem with developing teeworlds, is that devs don't have money to spent time on improving it. I know, you don't really care if TEeworlds will be developed at all, but it would make it better game, if people will finance it.
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well i'm kinda discouraged from working on this :/
15:58
never felt such opposition to an improvement before 😄
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it's just few people
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it's mostly because people don't understand how you will implement it. for exmaple how you make sure that accounts match their owners. of course they are scared
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T3ntuki (Rico) [EU] 2017-05-09 16:34:42Z
Why do we have nuclear test servers with 64 slots? isnt ir a waste of resources?
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DDNet servers doens't use any resources
16:40
if there's no players
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T3ntuki (Rico) [EU] 2017-05-09 16:48:19Z
K
16:48
why dont you make the normal test servers than 64 players as well?
16:49
-than
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Because Lady Saavik complained that too many people joined the test server and disturbed her, or some reason like that
17:31
Or SP|Someone following around people and actually disturbing them
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@Learath2 thank you for a positive response. I appreciate that. To be honest hi_leute_gll has knocked me to my knees with his arguments...
18:05
@jao good point to the notification system but it looks like a web oriented solution 😃 I was looking for something embedded in the client. But reference is kinda useful
18:06
Well these ppl without good arguments sux totally. How can someone post an argument against accounts that trolling and drama is a big part of the teeworlds and everybody loves this 😄 . (edited)
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T3ntuki (Rico) [EU] 2017-05-09 18:07:22Z
hm ok
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@deen are your plans about hook race development something far/unlikely or you really want to go with this? 😃
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@deen what is hookrace and how do i stop you from developing it
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Am I right that none would like to do this in Java :)?
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java suxs
18:48
xD
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i'd rather write it in brainfuck
18:48
assembly please
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I'm pretty sure that my java program would run faster then yours assembly Ryo 😉
18:50
I just wanted to check how it will work in games, I've been working on Java all my life and I managed to love it 😃
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i'd take that bet on a simple program
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i dont like java
18:50
and why use java when u can use c#
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Cool! 😃
18:50
So lets think about code challenge
18:50
😃
18:51
but lets not this to be a hello world...
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Fibonacci(24) calculated in a loop for 100 000 times? 😃 ez to implement and reliable 😃
19:28
php 7.1.0 is 2 times faster than php 5.6
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i heard its even more
19:28
xD
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whats the time?
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jyou can check by yourself
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php 5.6.2 0.13096618652344
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too lazy 😃
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php 7.1 0.064114093780518 (edited)
19:29
xDDD
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0.13 and 0.06 secs?
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i guess
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doesnt specify
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in seconds
19:30
it is
19:30
microtime(TRUE) returns seconds in float
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php 4.4.9 -0.063736
19:30
4.4.9 wins
19:30
xd
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check recursive fibonacci :v
19:32
i wanted to say
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We should do it with random numbers, because php remember function result if was the same argument
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lets use the most naive approach
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lets do something by ourselves Ryo pls 😉
19:35
your php code is wrong :v fibonacci(13) returns 91 wtf
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I mean it's not fibonacci at all :v
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it iterates 13 times
19:36
u didnt specify how the function should be exactly
19:36
i think u mean limit
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fib(24)
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i said it
19:36
calculated 100 000 times
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:V
19:37
MAYBE I FUCKED UP :V
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display the result and time at the end
19:38
only for (i..100_000) shoud be benchmarked
19:38
output print not 😃 (edited)
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I mean this
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ok fixed :V
19:43
Ha! Now i need to use
19:43
my own software :V
19:44
meh, i wasn't coding for a 2 months
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fastest way in php is round(((5 ** .5 + 1) / 2) ** $n / 5 ** .5) I think :v
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brutaler - Dziś o 21:32 lets use the most naive approach
19:47
I didn't know about this formula :V
19:47
im generally pretty bad in math so, thats why im php dev
19:51
phaha
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still executing
19:51
(y)
19:51
i did something wrong ? 😄
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recursive = slow
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i know that
19:51
especially, it uses a lot of ram
19:52
it works like a bubble sorting
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just give me a couple of months to learn assembly
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you should do it on plates
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whats ur fav language u are developing on a daily basis?
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depends on the task
20:15
i use nim for prototyping nowadays
20:16
but i much prefer using C
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gotcha 😉
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i should migrate over to C++ become hip
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c++ is closer to me than raw c
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@kchaber didn't do much on HookRace except thinking about it and become an expert in Nim. Unlikely to start developing it
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it just became to nice blog.
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but if someone gives me money every month, sure, I'd develop it 😄
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indiegogo
20:24
kickstarter
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i don't want to beg and advertise
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why not
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greeeeeeeeeeeeeeedy :V
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it's not a beg, lol
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the question is how much do u need :)?
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whatever they give you i'll match it for you not to develop it
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Casual programmer salary per hour ;D?
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problably, monthly wages
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we have enough people abandoning tw as is
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a few thousand per month is fine. I'd probably move to a cheaper country then
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full-timed job, working on teeworlds
20:25
DDNet will be great again!
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as long as it does not have accounts 😃
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hahah 😃 (edited)
20:28
naive, no optimizations just for fun and time checks
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my still executing
20:28
(y)
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ok so i won 😄
20:28
with u 😛
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but i fucked up
20:28
and i had to restart it
20:29
(Forgot to change execution time to unlimite) (edited)
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100_000
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didin't know it could work that way
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luckily it is
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since JDK 1.7 AFAIK
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last time when i used java
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was in 2012, in bukkit
20:30
so i shouldn't say anything 😄
20:32
result: 46368, time: 12.28165411949158
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brutaler it was in seconds ?
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so definitely you won hahaha
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If I compile with Nim with clang backend, the optimizer removes the loop since it is useless and just executes it once: result: 46368, time: 0.001034975051879883
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I don't know, if my script will ever finish
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(all in seconds)
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woah 😃
20:34
in php, in just simple loop, it will be
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the same will be in java. the test alg is a little stupid
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0.06 sec (edited)
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yeah, microbenchmarks are usually stupid
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php is scripting lang :v why compare it to compiled stuff
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for fun?
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ah ok then
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realistic programs are interesting, but no one wants to rewrite thousands of lines in another language
20:36
and then using a better algorithm, reducing memory allocations etc is better than switching the language anyway
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this is the reason why we still have banking systems written in erlang 😛
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what do you mean "still"?
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and on windows98
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erlang is fine
20:37
or do you mean fortran?
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wait, ye maybe that one
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fortran is cool too, higher performance than C for array operations
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i thinks its the matter of potential scalability and support of such systems
20:39
you can earn lot lot lot of money if you know either fortran erlang cobol
20:39
cause there is decresing no of ppl who can do something in this langs (edited)
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@deen which one would u recommend: nim or python?
20:41
more stable, more libs, bigger community
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I feel like a kid surrounded by the dinosaurs of programming
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@kchaber You talk about Erlang like it's an old language, it's newer than C++
20:43
but I haven't used Erlang anyway, just heard good stuff about it for networking
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still actively devloped and released?
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It could be my mistake tbh. I wanted to mention one of the older languages 😃
20:44
even quite fresh release (edited)
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ok, just checked. I should say cobol in terms of the banking systems
20:47
cobol and old fortran are horrible
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modern fortran is ok-ish
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spaghetti code 🍝
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turbo pascal ?
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for learning - this is how i remember it (edited)
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Hehe... Knock, knock.
  • Who’s there?
very long pause….
  • Java. Knock, knock.
  • Who’s there?
  • C++. Knock, knock.
  • Assembler.
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