DDraceNetwork - developer

<deen> Learath2: i will only merge /invite in again if it gets fixed for spamming

08:58

<Learath2> you already fixed the spamming by removing uninvite

08:58

<deen> every command that produces chat messages needs to be spam-filtered

08:58

<deen> no, that did not fix it

08:58

<deen> i got reports that you could still cause spam by using a few more commands in combination

08:58

<Learath2> the only person you can spam with it is yourself

08:59

<deen> something like /invite;lock;lock;invite;lock;lock;invite;lock;lock etc

08:59

<Learath2> well you can spam as fast as you can switch teams

08:59

<Learath2> i don't see any other way

08:59

<Learath2> huh

08:59

<Learath2> i'll check it out

09:00

<Learath2> see instead of nuking it out of the orbit just because you don't use it you could have just told me the combination

09:00

<deen> that was a quick fix

09:00

<deen> i don't think we have a flag for disabling it or i would've used that

09:00

<deen> because i got reports from people being spammed again

Maybe allow only one invite per player until he /agree or /disagree ?

<Learath2> fixed

09:03

<Learath2> atleast that one combination

09:07

<deen> as I said, make sure it uses spam protection

d3fault

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #749 Fix players dont stay muted if muted via gui

Now the GUI mute behaves like add_foe, which is persisted to disk.

<Learath2> deen: i did ask for help on that i just wasn't sure where the rate limiting belonged

09:48

<Learath2> if i limit the command then inviting a big team takes too long, if i limit it per person i wouldn't be able to use a bitmask anymore

def-

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #748 Add the invite system back

10:28

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[ddnet:master] 3 new commits

309d47e Revert "Remove invite system entirely since no ... - Learath2 89199d0 Fix invite spam by abusing lock. - Learath2 c610b5f Merge pull request #748 from Learath2/dd_pr_inv... - def-

10:30

def-

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #749 Fix players dont stay muted if muted via gui

<deen> Learath2: well, not sure how to fix it then

d3fault

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #750 Add show more precise coords in debug

/lock should not be delayed

11:26

If you have planned to change this ofc xd

<Learath2> lock is not delayed

i like coords

I know, just saying if you want To fix spam by delay it

11:29

But yes you are not dumb i know

def-

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #750 Add show more precise coords in debug

11:36

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[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

f5c4a6b Add show more precise coords in debug - d3fault 716b61d Merge pull request #750 from d3fault/more-preci... - def-

Suggestions on how to fix the annoying voting stuff? (see #off-topic)

lifeban SP | Someone

<Learath2> mfw i have to go to discord again :D

Limitation? By nickname, for example you can vote 3 times, then you have to wait some magic time (like 5 minutes or so)

hardcode a ban on the name "SP | Someone"

<Learath2> isnt there a frequency thing on votes already?

yea, 30 seconds?

Mol?

and always every 30 seconds if i remember

180 seconds

11:54

And 50 after join

i meant, some kind of ban to vote for more time

11:54

ok, so It was on Vanilla then (haha)

<Learath2> and how does he bypass the timer?

hes a hacker

<Learath2> ask him he likes to brag about it

Ah, the delay is only for failed votes

@bob1 they don't want to ban names

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Huh.

Lol, he can just take another Name omg

<Learath2> well lets make the delay for all votes

No

why not?

<Learath2> b/c konsti likes to oppose me for no reason :)

Learath, just make it like:

and one mor

add a vote delay on succsesfull votes

He's voting himself

11:57

his dummy

For kickvotes need to be 5 players on Server, make it so that in a team also need to be 5 players or just disable votes in team

maybe we should disable possibility to vote characters on same IP?

good idea he only has 1 ip

<Learath2> actually why do we even allow kick in teams?

disable specvotes too

11:57

ez fix

Learath2, it is allowed ?

disable all votes and chatting ez fix all bugs

Just kick and specvotes in team need to be disabled, they are unnecessary

<Learath2> matricks had a branch without nicknames for tees and no chat

<Learath2> anonymous teeworlds

We should try it

11:59

Everyone would have same amount of points

11:59

12:00

The first solution, should be to disable self-voting (even with dummy)

Learath2

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #751 Add ratelimiting for /invite

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<Learath2> if i call for a vote inside a team do other people see the vote?

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<deen> yes

12:19

<deen> the current system only allows for 1 vote and everyone sees that

12:19

<Learath2> and do other people get to vote?

12:19

<deen> no

12:19

<Learath2> do you happen to know where we make that happen?

So just hide it?

<deen> i remember writing it, i don#t remember where^^

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<deen> even if you hide it, then no one else can vote while someone is doing that

12:20

<deen> there are a few approaches:

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<deen> 1. allow 1 vote per team at once

12:20

<deen> 2. don't allow voting within team at all

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<deen> 3. delay even after successful vote

12:21

<Learath2> i'd go with 2 but i can't seem to find where we did that :P

12:21

<deen> gamecontext.cpp, CL_CALLVOTE

I think voting in a team has no need am i right? You can just join another team or use /save if u want an afk guy awax

<deen> yeah, we used to kick people out of a team, but if there's invite that's not really neded

12:23

<Learath2> deen: yeah can prevent it there but we'd have some unnecessary logic somewhere in the voting code leftover

12:23

<Learath2> maybe we should let people within teams vote but like all other people

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<deen> don't understand that

12:24

<Learath2> let them vote in team0 votes and let them vote for people in team0

12:24

<deen> easy way to find a place in the code: trigger the situation on a server and grep for the error message in code

12:25

<deen> but it should just be in gamecontext.cpp

Would be unfair if Team 0 trolls can kick teamplayers

<deen> search for GetDDRaceTeam(ClientID) within the vote calling

12:26

<Learath2> how do you account for the team when counting the votes?

12:26

<Learath2> thats what i'm after

12:27

<deen> well, i showed you

12:27

<deen> each player just has a flag if they votes yes/no/nothing yet

12:27

<deen> and we just iterate over all players and ignore those in another team

12:32

<Learath2> well are we okay with "no votes in team, no votes affecting team members"

12:33

<deen> not sure, have to think through all the consequences

12:34

<deen> what if you play in a team for a few hours, one guy dies and goes afk, while lying in freeze

12:34

<deen> now the team can never finish

12:34

<deen> usually they would just vote him to spec or kic khim

they can save and kick vote him in team 0 then

<Learath2> cant load the team tho

12:34

<deen> haha

replace him with dummy

12:34

or some other guy

<deen> that's a ridiculous workaround

12:35

<deen> shouldn't have to resort to that

12:35

<Learath2> well team votes should only move to team 0

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<deen> yeah, but if the server has /spec enabled then you can't move to spec

12:36

<deen> so you'd have to modify the kick behavious to move them to team 0 instead

12:36

<deen> and the /spec-enabled spec vote is weird anyway, i'm not sure it even works at all

12:36

<Learath2> it doesn't work now but it works in my pull req :P

12:37

<Learath2> yeah we'd need to modify the kick behaviour but the word is still suitable :) You get kicked out of the team

<deen> sounds ok

<Learath2> i have no idea how to make that happen without rewriting a lot of the vote code :/

12:54

<deen> line 2291 etc

12:54

<deen> move to eam 0 instead of kick/ban

oh are we okay with 1 concurrent vote?

<deen> yeah, i guess

13:00

<deen> it's good when everyone can see what votes are going on

13:00

<deen> then mods can observe

13:00

<deen> and otherwise we need to complicate the code even more

"one cant vote people from their ip" does that sound fair?

What you mean

i can't vote my own dummy f.e.

I said that

13:25

look ad SP

13:25

he voting himself

<deen> just connect from multiple ips

and in as a result, he's spamming by voting

13:25

or maybe i still don't understand what you want to say

<deen> Learath2: that's a bad idea, what if your brother is afk and you want to move him to spec?

it's possible, to check if its your dummy?

well no not reliably atleast

:/

13:32

I don't know, if your brother

13:32

is afk

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you can go to his comptuer

13:33

and go spec

13:33

xD

13:33

Unless you are lazy as fu...

13:34

so it shouldn't be problem, to disable self-voting (on same ip)

<deen> ok, what if you're from a country that has a single IP address for all citizens?

those exist?

13:35

anyways it doesn't fix any problem

<deen> (you don't want to get kicked then, but spec-vote would be ok)

no need to remove self-voting

<deen> Quatar?

13:36

<deen> but they use a few more addresses nowadays

13:36

<deen> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:82.148.97.69

User:82.148.97.69

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<deen> "This is the IP address for the entire nation of Qatar. As such it is a very sensitive IP address to block and any prolonged blocks are likely to wind up in the news. As such please exercise extreme caution when deciding to block this IP address."

13:37

I was talking about this problem

13:37

self-voting -> spamming

13:38

so, we can make exceptions?

13:38

for Qatar, for example

<heinrich5991> self-voting is not necessarily spamming, is it?

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<deen> no, just don't forbid spec-voting your own ip

my 2ct, a window of last votes (maybe last 5) and add time limitation if the length between the current and the first vote is too small.

hey, just wanted to throw idea, could you please add some command that would lock team only if it is locked already? or just modify currently existing /lock so I can do /lock 1 and it won't unlock

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>lock team only if it not locked already *

<deen> i don#t understand

13:55

<deen> just use /lock 1 or /lock 0?

O LOL

13:56

it didn't work recently :x maybe i misstyped

13:56

nvm then

Again self-voting

can I invite more ppl like /invite A B C?

nope

14:07

that sounds like a nice idea

14:07

will look into it after i fix the vote stuff

what if someone has space in nickname?

people have spaces in names that's why i am asking

/invite "test test"

14:07

?

14:07

but then, someone could have " in nickname as well

escaping obviously

14:09

/invite "\"test\"" (edited)

not everyone will know

pf

well you'll have to invite one by one

escaping isn't that obvious

<heinrich5991> CookieAlex: /invite test test should work even today

I guess you meant @xPapla

<heinrich5991> oh, didn't see the suggestion, nvm

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/751 does it mean I won't be able to do: "say /team 37; say /lock 1; say /invite CookieMichal; say /invite CookieAlex; say /invite W33Ð; say /invite CookieAlex²" ? (edited)

Add ratelimiting for /invite by Learath2 · Pull Request #751 · ddnet/ddnet

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exactly

<deen> btw, get rid of all those says

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<deen> just use say /team 37;lock 1;invite foo;invite bar

14:25

<deen> (I think)

i couldn't find a way to limit it per person without writing way too complex code

deen: doesn't really work :v

<deen> too bad

i'd need to keep an array of ticks

<deen> Learath2: not saying that's a good idea, but 64bit bitfield?

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<deen> hm, no

i have an 64bit bitfield now

14:27

per team

with tick() you get integer?

if i want rate limiting per person i'd need an array 64 of ticks to keep when you invited someone

64x64 array :v

not too nice

<deen> ask heinrich5991 what he thinks!

or do it teamspeak way

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everytime you invite someone you get some points (let's say 200) and when you go over limit (let's say 500) you can't invite anyone until it goes back to 0

14:34

and on each tick u get -1

heinrich5991 what do you think

<heinrich5991> I'm currently in a lecture /o\

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<heinrich5991> ask me again in 10min

<heinrich5991> 10min over

if i want to ratelimit invites per player i need an array 64 of ticks on each player

15:17

heinrich5991 ^^

15:22

thats 8byte tick * 64 players * 64 players = 33KB of data

<heinrich5991> mh

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[ddnet:master] 1 new commit

4b376d2 rename - def-

<deen> I disabled /spec for now

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<deen> ehm, spec-vote

15:36

<deen> not /spec

How long will it take to allow kickvotes again? Its really annoying

<heinrich5991> we could disable saves instead

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<heinrich5991> until we figure out the correct solution to that load problem and test it

What load Problem?

15:40

Ah yes

we figured out 3 solutions

15:40

can we just chose one and test it now?

If you want to load a savegame the players have to /agree first maybe?

we have that, we have players must be teamed up beforehand, and all need to /load passwd

15:41

first two are already in pullreqs but not tested

<heinrich5991> Learath2: if you invite people to a team, why can you even invite them again?

15:42

<heinrich5991> irc client broke

you can't

Solution 2 is my Favorite if u can get loaded in your Favorite team

15:42

And not in random team with ugly colour x)

heinrich5991 i already fixed the spams we know about but deen doesn't seem to be convinced

15:43

heinrich5991 aa3690a632dd9cbd5e8c58faf016a9f282f5317b can you cherry pick this?

<heinrich5991> link plz

i forgot to put it in the last pr

15:44

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/751/commits/aa3690a632dd9cbd5e8c58faf016a9f282f5317b

Add ratelimiting for /invite by Learath2 · Pull Request #751 · ddnet/ddnet

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15:44

the rest of the pr is questionable but should get the first one atleast

<heinrich5991> Learath2: so, invite is currently enabled and you want that commit in?

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<heinrich5991> and what was deen's opinion about that?

deen merged invite

16:01

before i could get that commit in

16:01

without that you can block teams forever

Nice!

<deen> I just noticed that the mozilla irc server is really unfriendly

17:09

<deen> "This server is for use by Mozilla developers, testers, and users. If you are not one, please find another server."

<Ryozuki> i guess they have lot of chrome users?

17:22

<Ryozuki> "Mozilla runs an IRC server to host channels for discussion of topics related to the Mozilla project. "

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<Ryozuki> i find it logic

17:23

<deen> but you're not allowed if you don't use Firefox or another Mozilla product^^

17:23

<Ryozuki> if u dont, why would u go there?

17:23

<deen> I'm there to listen in on rust discussions

17:24

<deen> but I'm not even a rust user

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<deen> luckily i coincidentally use firefox, otherwise I'd have to leave

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<Ryozuki> well, u don't have to tell you dont use them :)

spying on rust discussions to steal their ideas and implement them in nim?

<deen> sure, but it's just a ridiculous rule to have

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<Ryozuki> that sure went to Learath2 ? :D (joke)

17:25

<Ryozuki> nim doesn't suck

17:26

<Ryozuki> i like custom operators

who wrote smh and tried to delete it?

<heinrich5991> smh?

d3fault

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #752 Add show angle in debug

I was tempted to convert the number into 0->359 but I just left it in whatever format it's already in

meant to write something

<heinrich5991> why aren't you on irc btw? ^^

other computer

does anyone knows a shop where i can buy a pi zero w inexpensively? (edited)

I will steal it for you

really?

<heinrich5991> are they in stock again?

I dont know, but I want one

Rust took 14gb of memory crashed my browser and steam...

Yeah, sweety ❤

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Rust? This all-the-time in alpha

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game?

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sorry

19:18

in early access

<heinrich5991> rust-the-language or rust-the-game? ^^

I guess the game

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since programming languages usually arent on steam

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haha

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or maybe

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he just compiled something

19:21

it took 14gb memory

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and crashed browser and steaem

19:21

forkbomb?

<Ryozuki> :(){ :|: & };:

void main(){while(1){fork();}}

<heinrich5991> *int main

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<heinrich5991> plz

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<Ryozuki> xD

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

<heinrich5991> int main(void) if you're coding c

i would like to learn c or c++

19:24

but im so laaazy

:(){ :|:& };:
\_/| |||| ||\- ... the function ':', initiating a chain-reaction: each ':' will start    two more.
 | | |||| |\- Definition ends now, to be able to run ...
 | | |||| \- End of function-block
 | | |||\- disown the functions (make them a background process), so that the children    of a parent
 | | |||   will not be killed when the parent gets auto-killed
 | | ||\- ... another copy of the ':'-function, which has to be loaded into memory.
 | | ||   So, ':|:' simply loads two copies of the function, whenever ':' is called
 | | |\- ... and pipe its output to ...
 | | \- Load a copy of the function ':' into memory ...
 | \- Begin of function-definition
 \- Define the function ':' without any parameters '()' as follows:

i never have idea, what could i do. so stupid

thanks for the copy pasta @Ryozuki

what the fuck is that

<Ryozuki> xD, its well formated on discord

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<Ryozuki> the explanation of the forkbomb isent

no shit

19:25

everyone knows unix forkbomb :l

but not why it is like that

alright alright

i didn't knew

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have you ever been using linux?

<heinrich5991> Savander: have you tried any programming language already? :)

yes

<Ryozuki> php

i am PHP programmer already

<Ryozuki> right?

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<Ryozuki> :P

so how is everyone doing tonight?

I used linux

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but rather to nginx

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than to make scripts

what's nginx?

heinrich5991

[ddnet:master] 1 new commit

3878d6f Reset invites when the team is empty - Learath2

nginx?

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http server

ah

rust the game

i have tested nginx-rtmp-module

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Livestreaming on your own! oh yea!

I prefer to write my own http servers ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i know, node.js

or java ee

then great. I can't do it

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so i using nginx

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or apache2

okok

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maybe someday

probably not

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Iam to lazy

<heinrich5991> Learath2: cherry-picked it

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thx :3

nginx is good

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i suggest to learn brainfuck programming language

hello

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hi

<deen> Welf: Good, you can even combine brainfuck with nim: http://howistart.org/posts/nim/1/

nimfuck?

<Ryozuki> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Pyth

Pyth

have to admit that irc<-->discord bridge was very good idea

I agree

<deen> feels like irc gets spammed a lot now, not sure how the quiet irc majority feels about that

noone forces anyone : P

<Ryozuki> well, that irc majority never talks :o

bob, go troll on #off-topic

don't delete messages as they stay in logs T_T

waht logs

irc logs

this is discord

can we kick him?

sure

sry for calling you noob

20:23

pls forgive me

S I L I C O N V A L L E Y S E A S O N 4 E P I S O D E 1 ! ! ! !

<Ryozuki> dont spam

It's one message

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using that logic, your reply is also considered spam

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<Ryozuki> ur message looks horrible on irc

cant confirm that

@Learath2 in case you need MySQL DB, tell me

i'll aquire some sleep then i'll get an sql db and test :/

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i really hate setting up sql

<heinrich5991> deen: indeed a lot of spam ^^

500MB is enough?

22:25

will pm you

<necropotame> Is the Discord now acceptable ? Last time it was just a stream of insult

Still is it.