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Between 2017-04-22 00:00:00Z and 2017-04-23 00:00:00Z

<Learath2> o/

bot fixed? /o/

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\o\

<Learath2> yep

10:10

<Learath2> should get a patch send it upstream :P

great

<Ryozuki> nice

@irclink

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ha! I can mention you!

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yea

does it support images?

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<Ryozuki> it gives a link on irc

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<EastByte> oh, I thought it would create an ascii art

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<Ryozuki> xD

haha

<Ryozuki> that would be cool

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<Learath2> that would be horrid :D

I gonna do it!

12:44

Hold my beer

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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #745 Fix indentation

Fix a small indentation mistake and some useless spaces.

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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #745 Fix indentation

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[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

c091eb6 Fix indentation - Learath2 104a6ee Merge pull request #745 from Learath2/dd_pr_indent - def-

that's more changes than just indentation lol

no?

i actually have no idea where that getchar came from

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wasn't even working on that file

<Learath2> i'm pretty sure that's just indentation fix, the diff viewer seems to be confused

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/compare/9da2655ea7b0...104a6eede147?w=1

ddnet - DDraceNetwork, a mod of Teeworlds

how to fix whitespaces tutorial: 1) Open Visual Studio 2) Open the file you want to edit 3) CTRL + K, CTRL + D 4) ??? 5) profit

<Ryozuki> love the ??? part

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<Learath2> i'd like to run everything through clang-format maybe

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<Ryozuki> allman style

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<Learath2> :(

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<Ryozuki> :)

discord > irc

@Ryozuki can't decide

<Ryozuki> irc > discord

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<Learath2> irc > discord

what if I edit message

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u cant see it nubs (edited)

<Learath2> discord can take it's proprieprietary shitware and leave

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<Ryozuki> freedom o/

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<Learath2> i'll go work on my spelling now

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<Ryozuki> hf then

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<Learath2> proprietary*

slack > discord ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

<Learath2> is slack also proprietary garbageware?

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<Learath2> yep even worse

don't want to insult you, so i won't answer

<Learath2> feel free to lay some insults

17:22

<Learath2> ##C teaches one how to not care

@xPapla i prefer discord over slack

<Ryozuki> you mean #C

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<Ryozuki> ?

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<Learath2> slack literally looks like an overengineered ircd

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<Ryozuki> it is

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<Learath2> unofficial channels in freenode get another #

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<Learath2> the searching features look cute tho

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<Ryozuki> slack is for business

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<Ryozuki> companies

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<Ryozuki> idk

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<Learath2> i did want to work on a chat protocol of my own, but im no good with marketing wank so i'd end up the only person using it

XD

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ever heard of telegram?

<Learath2> some whatsapp kind of thing iirc

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<Ryozuki> Signal has encryption

make better UI for group talks and u r done

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everything for u is irc XD

<Ryozuki> iirc != irc

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<Learath2> i also use whatsapp and teamspeak

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<Learath2> iirc = if i recall correctly

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

<Learath2> teamspeak and whatsapp b/c friends refuse to migrate to mumble and xmpp

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<Learath2> apparently open source is gay and for communists

because they are not stupid

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maybe they prefer user friendly interfaces?

<deen> to resolve this conflict I propose that we switch to good old BBS

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<Learath2> user friendly? you mean granny friendly?

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<deen> since ddnet is already using a taiwanese domain, I'll ask the popular PTT BBS if we can have a channel

^

<Learath2> so b/c i enjoy a simple interface i'd enjoy a unusable bbs?

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<Learath2> thats some slippery slope

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<deen> telnet ptt.cc

huh?

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<deen> big5 encoding, no modern unicode shit

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<Learath2> not even surprised that you are using windows 10 :D

ay right

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wait I will change to windows 95 like u

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it's working

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it must be good

<deen> luit -encoding big5 telnet ptt.cc

irc is so much spam lol

<Learath2> irc is generally calmer then discord

irc is so cool that u have to be online 24/7 to know what ppl were talking about

<Learath2> i have a bouncer that takes care of being online

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<Learath2> so does many other people

so I need to spend money on 24/7 vps that will do it for me

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even better

<Learath2> i'll host it for you, i'm pretty sure anyone else here would be happy to provide aswell

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<deen> maybe this irc - discord bridge can't bridge the cultural divide

haha

<deen> instead of telnet you can also "ssh bbsu@ptt.cc"

help me with encoding thing deen :v

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<Learath2> and if you want i believe there are some newfound wanksites that act as your bouncer for free and give you a cutting edge web8.0 interface

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<deen> CookieMichal: Use ssh instead, it's a utf8 server

@xPapla looks like Dwarf Fortress ^^

<deen> ah, you might not have the correct font

that screenshot was taken on ssh connection :v

<Learath2> if only i knew that language

deen, who is in charge of the ddnet backend?

<deen> yeah, font missing, use a different terminal app or find out how to get chinese fonts

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<deen> what's a ddnet backend?

well

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the backend of ddnet?

I think he means website

yes

<Learath2> the new website stuff looks really nice

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<deen> how is the website our backend? that's a frontend

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<deen> which new stuff?

THE BACKEND OF THE WEBSITE

<deen> it's a bunch of html files

I see chinese

Image attachment

<deen> nginx?

wow

<Learath2> i saw some screenshots somewhere on discord

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<deen> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-web https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-scripts https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-django

ddnet/ddnet-web

ddnet-web - Static part of DDNet's website: https://ddnet.tw/

ddnet/ddnet-scripts

ddnet-scripts - The magic scripts that make DDNet run

ddnet/ddnet-django

Contribute to ddnet-django development by creating an account on GitHub.

he means: Who is responsible for the server running website? :v

<deen> i am

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<deen> i mean, i pay for it

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<deen> and the admins and I have root access

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<Learath2> i think it was SPECTRUM in #general who posted the screenshots

yes

does anyone knows where can i found a default autoexec_server.cfg?

<Learath2> Should be in the repo

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<deen> I should have made the ptt channel on april 1 and posted a tutorial, while shutting down ddnet forum

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<Learath2> Great idea deen

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<deen> too late, damn

next year

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just 11 months and few days

<Ryozuki> hi HMH

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<HMH> Hi Ryozuki

HI both

hi M&M

<Ryozuki> what would you think about having lua as scripting language for ddnet, so maybe some things can be done more easily

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<Ryozuki> and you can modify lua scripts without recompiling

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<deen> hell no

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<Ryozuki> :(

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<Ryozuki> why not

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<Ryozuki> most of games do that

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<deen> why would you want to change stuff without recompiling?

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<Ryozuki> why wouldn't you want?

it would give botters new ways

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<deen> to ensure that every server runs the same code

all the haxx client

haha

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but, it would be great

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to have some kind of core server

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and plug-ins

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<deen> also, performance

then, you could have always up-to-date your server

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with security fixes

<Ryozuki> plug-ins allow easily customization

and your own plugins

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<Ryozuki> plugins*

woaht, it would be awesome

<Ryozuki> i mean only server sided

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<deen> not a good idea imo

very bad

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very unsecure

<Ryozuki> it's not that bad

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<Ryozuki> wut?

what?

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why not?

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Core server -> security first

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and plugins for administrators

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it how it works everywhere

<Ryozuki> yes

Bukkit (minecraft)

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AMXX

<Ryozuki> gmod for example

CS1.6

<Ryozuki> uses lua

Gmod yes

gmod ❤

<Ryozuki> u dont ❤ cuz it uses lua so by ur logic its insecure

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<Ryozuki> xD

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<Ryozuki> and no, its the other cookie

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<Ryozuki> well, big changes in ddnet are always hard

tbh. Lua or another script language support would be great. But it would be hard to implement

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as well

<Ryozuki> so i guess this will be forgotten into the abism

funcitons which you can use etc

<Ryozuki> c++ + lua is the best combination imho

but then you have to add support, a lot of code?

wait

<Ryozuki> i think thats not a problem

you want client scripting or server scripting?

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or both

server scripting

<Ryozuki> server scripting

like plugins for server in other games

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but it should be as a standard teeworlds server core

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not like a ddnet

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imo

<Ryozuki> yeah

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<Ryozuki> well idk

then if you want to build and ddrace, you can

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download plugin (haha)

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for score system

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and freezes, and here you go!!

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<Ryozuki> well maybe ddnet wouldn't use it, but other people maybe would

yup

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definitely, they would.

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maybe more people would write plugisn. It's easier to use documentation with built-in funcitons, than

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learn how to teeworlds-code works :V

<Ryozuki> yeah

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<Ryozuki> would be easier to documentate also

<HMH> well but i guess if hacking into ddnet becomes that easy we get even more spaghetticode

Maybe another branch

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or even repo.

<Ryozuki> why would it be easier to hack into ddnet

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<Ryozuki> me no understand

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<HMH> using some documented lua api vs c++

make a rest api first

<HMH> no need for compiling

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<Ryozuki> you mean ddnet as the server software or ddnet as the whole servers

Rest API first? for what?

Skin Database and Finished Maps

or, .dll as a plugins

<HMH> dll is windows only

:/

<Ryozuki> lua

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<Ryozuki> python

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<Ryozuki> .a is for linux

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<HMH> do you also know the one for macOS :P ?

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<Ryozuki> idk never had one

python sounds

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the best

<Ryozuki> lua is better with c++

they lua :V

<EastByte> .a is a static lib though, you probably mean .so

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<Ryozuki> h yea

https://teespring.com

Teespring - The best way to sell custom apparel online!

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tee-ish shop

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really cheap :V

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THere is even Premium tee!

really cheap :V >10€ for a shirt (edited)

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gtfo with ur ads

yes, expensive

(edited)

depends on how much is printed

Teeeeee

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don't be mean

lol

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http://teeporn.com/

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sfw^

:<

<Ryozuki> offtopic?

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<Ryozuki> xD

kinda

no i talked about

shirts (edited)

Tee-Shirts

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which deen sells :<

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and have no profit :<

lies

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his shirts are sold here: https://shop.spreadshirt.de/ddnet/

DDraceNetwork T-Shirts

T-Shirts for DDracenetwork: http:ddnet.tw

plz #join-leave

20ó

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20€ vs 10$

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:<

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with tee-ish shop

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I win

<Learath2> the only acceptable use of lua in tw code would be gamecore imho

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<Learath2> i've really thought about whether lua scripting would be of any use, but its just useful for botters

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<Ryozuki> server sided?

for botters

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server sided?

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;O

<Ryozuki> i mean lua only for server

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<Ryozuki> bots cant use that then

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<Learath2> yeah but what plugin would you make?

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<Learath2> i tried to think of some

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<Ryozuki> and they already can use ath client to bot with lua

none, it's useless

<Ryozuki> you could basically make all ddnet gamemode in lua

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<Ryozuki> maybe would be more maintainable

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<Ryozuki> idk

hfhf

<Learath2> well we are maintaining it just fine :P

I guess

<Learath2> without the performance overhead aswell

People has ideas

<Ryozuki> and would also allow new programmers

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<Ryozuki> easier doc

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<Ryozuki> xD

omg the spam

<Learath2> tbh i don't want new coders if they are going to half ass it

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<Ryozuki> you can write some core parts in c++

but don't have knowledge about teecode

<Ryozuki> teelang

and, it should be (in my opinion)

<Learath2> as i said the only thing that would be nice would be gamecore

used in clear teeworlds(as a core), rather than ddnet one.

give real idea, because so far there is nothing

<Learath2> so you can upload a gamecore to the client

If you wanna make add-ons, make a merge request, no need for an extra scripting lang

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imo

<Learath2> could have really nice gamemodes if one can modify the gamecore without completely breaking prediction

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<Ryozuki> "In games, game logic and configuration are typically contained in script files. These scripts can easily be updated by non-programmers (like the designer) to tweak the gameplay. Script languages are easy and act in a forgiving manner for that purpose."

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<Learath2> well our gameplay is mostly in maps and they are easily edited by non programmers

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<Learath2> game logic as said would be cute

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<Ryozuki> cute xD

Idea ? New programmers, new posibilities. Someone would make a plugin to i.e. store scores/times whatever. Then another plugin could add another features

<Learath2> do you remember Nodes?

I do!

the gamemod?

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yea

<Learath2> was really fun but it died off cause people needed a new client

true

<Learath2> we could do things like that if we had a way to send gamecore to clients

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<Ryozuki> mods that require new client are usually going to die

i don't understand?

<Ryozuki> why you would need that?

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<Learath2> need what?

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<Ryozuki> send gamecore

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<Learath2> that way you can modify/add new physics and mechanics all the while keeping perfect prediction

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<Ryozuki> yeah

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<Ryozuki> then

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<Ryozuki> break vanilla compat

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<Learath2> wouldn't even need to break vanilla compat if you don't really want to with lua gamecore

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<Ryozuki> :o

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<Learath2> new servers could send NETMSG_PLXGETCORE and we could have the default gamecore ported over

<Learath2> that way you can modify/add new physics and mechanics all the while keeping perfect prediction like.... tune zones?

<Learath2> tune zones modify physics that is already there

you can modify much more

<Ryozuki> i think tunes had a limitation because pred

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<Learath2> a more accurate example of what i was thinking is adding a dash

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<Learath2> adding a proper wall jump

I tangled up.

<Learath2> anyways even that is not a good enough reason to invest manpower in lua stuff :P

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<Ryozuki> sad

true

<Learath2> the amount of work required to do something like what you propose is ridiculous

It would be great, if teeworlds would be that big as a minecraft is

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haha

<Learath2> first you'd need to modify teeworlds core to have lua plugins, and then you'd need to port over ddnet to lua

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<Learath2> and lua is a pretty meh language

you don't need to port ddnet to lua

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What else then? Than lua?

<Learath2> well lua is the best choice in this case

Or just convert from another language to lua

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after writing the plugin :

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TeeLang

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hahah

<heinrich5991> "whitespace fix"

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<heinrich5991> literally the third line is already wrong

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<heinrich5991> extra space between if and (

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<Learath2> well i really don't know what i'd make in a plugin if we are keeping ddnet itself C

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<Learath2> heinrich5991: that file is full of stuff that is off in style

maybe you nothing, but it gives possibilities to others, if it would be good interface between plugins and teeworlds-code

<Learath2> wasn't sure if i'd touch it

"<heinrich5991> extra space between if and (" u treat if like a function? :v

<heinrich5991> tw does that

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<heinrich5991> the missing space

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<Learath2> there shouldn't be a space there imho

u crazy

<heinrich5991> it doesn't matter

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<heinrich5991> :D

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<Learath2> and there shouldn't be paranthesis in a sizeof

CookieAlex slaps Learath2 around a bit with a large trout

<Learath2> ikr not a popular stance on style :P

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<Ryozuki> me mesage

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<Ryozuki> it works on discord too :o

test

<Ryozuki> lol

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<Ryozuki> its black

/slap Ryozuki

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does it work?

<Ryozuki> !slap Ryozuki

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<Learath2> ofc not

unlucky

magic

<Learath2> !decide sleep or code

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<Nimda> Learath2: sleep

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<heinrich5991> duh

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<Ryozuki> !decide sleep or code

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<Nimda> Ryozuki: sleep

how does it look on irc?

<Ryozuki> mmm

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<Ryozuki> this isn't linked

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<Learath2> well i also have a flight tomorrow

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<Learath2> gn8 :)

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<heinrich5991> ah

<?php
$test = 'lol';
if(iDie)
    echo "You died";

(edited)

!decide php or food

<heinrich5991> where to?

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<Nimda> ddnet-discord: php

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<Learath2> back to italy

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<heinrich5991> you voted in that erdogan thing? :)

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<Ryozuki> dictator?

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<Learath2> well i knew it wouldn't matter much but i did

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<heinrich5991> +1

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<Learath2> the guy spent 15y coming here why would he miss his chance just to respect public opinion

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<Ryozuki> <y>?

<Learath2> years

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<Learath2> i should get a font with monospace emojis

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<heinrich5991> i have one

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<Ryozuki> consolas 10

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<heinrich5991> dunno which it is though

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<Ryozuki> show them

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<Learath2> or modify the bot to convert the emoji's to their olden versions

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<Ryozuki> nah

good luck

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there are over 2000 emojis

<heinrich5991> Learath2: I bet someone already does that

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<Learath2> i don't want to see the stupid oness

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<Learath2> like don't need to see the smiling shit

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<Learath2> i really love dejavu sans mono

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<heinrich5991> list of ascii emoticons

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<heinrich5991> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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<heinrich5991> really

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<Learath2> :D

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<Learath2> really should get to sleep :/ gn8

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<heinrich5991> nite

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<Ryozuki> gn

gn

<Paralix> slaps deen around a bit with a large fishbot

thanks Paralix

<Ryozuki> is it good to use goto keyword on c++?

It's never good wtf

<Ryozuki> another person giving some proper arguments please? xD

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<heinrich5991> in c++ it's not really needed

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<heinrich5991> do the cleanup in destructors

I would say in very few cases but rather never

i always use it

I rememer seeing it in ddnet code

<heinrich5991> for tw code, it's a no

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